What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

i know those things end up mattering more than they should but I hadn't noticed anything bad about her voice(!) - thought pacing and delivery was very good in that corruption hearing thing

Have seen some weird "bernie and aoc are the same / bernie and aoc are NOT the same" stuff on twitter, which again seems to come down to this "democratic socialism is compatible with capitalism" / 'democratic socialism is not compatible with capitalism" stuff which is a bit niche interest to me. cba too much with too much labelling and naming just get the ball in the net and score a goal and thats what she is doing

I don't mind AOC's voice, but I agree with three word username that such cosmetic things matter. You may not want them to, and some people get upset if you even broach the subject, but they do, a lot. Women undoubtedly get singled out disproportionately for such complaints (and they're harsher, and more symbolically loaded for a woman), but I could definitely name many men where I couldn't get past the voice. I think of Jon Huntsman immediately--I cringed every time he spoke. Ted Cruz, independent of whatever nonsense he's spouting. Martin O'Malley. Closer to home, Doug Ford.

Bella Abzug and Shirley Chisholm had...unconventional... New York voices, didn't seem to hurt them much.

lads

I mean how has Booker not been mentioned

poll

Ted Cruz and Doug Ford, noted losers of elections

Perhaps millions of Trump voters have still never heard him speak.

Bella Abzug and Shirley Chisholm had...unconventional... New York voices, didn't seem to hurt them much.

Ted Cruz and Doug Ford, noted losers of elections

It doesn't work that way--it's totally subjective, totally irrational. Obviously, lots of people don't mind their voices at all. I'm sure Jon Huntsman sounds like Winston Churchill to some people, just like I'm sure Winston Churchill sounds like Sarah Palin to others. I'm not predicting results here--the point is, if enough people didn't like AOC's voice, that would be a problem for her.

I think the fact that it took like 10k posts about AOC before anyone brought up her voice points to it not being a problem

what the hell is happening itt

It took a weird detour, an ILX first.

Trump voters evidently love Trump's voice. Don't ask me why.

Based on this thread, agree--only one objection raised. How representative the people posting on this thread are of the larger populace, I don't know. Anyway, again, I'm agreeing with the underlying point in TWU's post, that's all.

it not only hasn't been mentioned until now on ILX, I've never once seen it mentioned on Twitter, Reddit (left, lib or right-wing), or in the press. this is Not A Thing.

You don't want it to be, anyway. I assume you want to believe that the Person With the Best Ideas automatically wins elections. If that makes you happy, carry on.

(If you're limiting your objection to AOC only, then sure, maybe you're right.)

jesus fuck

Now jesus fuck, he had a nice voice.

the idea that right-wingers are "unconsciously objecting" to a young woman of color who supports left-wing policy because she has a "head voice" is fucking stupid sorry

Is Three Word Username a right-winger? Because I was specifically making my point within the context of his dislike of AOC's voice.

her only flaws are: american + her voice

can you fucking read

I genuinely think a lot of "SHE'S DUMB!!!!" stuff coming from the right is an unconscious reaction to her voice.

idk these same people thought Obama was dumb despite the fact that he had pretty much the best voice of any President but it occurs to me there may be another reason for that

is the flaw that she's american the flaw that she's not british? it is a cliche but we could do with a few like her

No, I can't read Simon. Please move the conversation there.

My initial post came right after TWU's post. Everything I've said was in reference to that. I'm hardly saying that AOC's voice is going to be an obstacle she may have to overcome with Trump voters (and if she can just get past that, they'll embrace her).

ive seen people call her voice 'nerdy' before but haven't seen anyone suggest it's an impediment to anything

A voice is a voice

She just sounds like a young woman to me

A Fox News intern exposes AOC's flaws:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgvfMreXcAAIvkn.jpg

I see now that TWU's post had that line about the right--I was focused on his objection to her voice. So, point taken, I should have read that post closer.

To clarify: I think something like AOC's (or anybody's) voice could matter in getting his or her party's nomination. It's just there, one of the many cosmetic factors that matter, even if you don't think they should. If enough people instinctively resist, you have a problem. But no, in AOC's case, the right's hatred of her is a whole other matter.

She just sounds like a young woman to me

― frogbs, Sunday, February 10, 2019 11:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Billy Joel's finest hour

clemenza take your concern trolling over to some Canadian politics thread where you might have a clue what you're talking about

I thought I had killfiled you, going to fix that right now

Shouldn't you be out patrolling the neighborhood for pretend punks? Please, whatever that means, please do so.

Her voice is good. She sounds like a young person from the new york metropolitan area.

hmmm sorry you did not include a spectrographic analysis, try again

folks into voice production don't like undersupport and speaking head voice.

this is 2019's blended haircut moment imo

symmetry demanded it

lol

The idea of people who are not literally communications strategists for the demcoratic party expending any thought ok something like a politician’s voice makes me want to die. Other people, i’m sure, feel similarly, making this a dangerous line of discussion.

we could do with a few like her
― imago, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:34 (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are u at it

? i literally do think that

Jess Phillips not good enough for you?

imagine if Jess Phillips, AOC and Wes Streeting could be blended together but with Hitler's oratory skillz.

Bill Clinton's voice also sucks. I am not a right winger, nor do I think her voice is the sole reason racist scumbags might think she's dumb. It is not her accent I object to -- she talks at the tipity-top of her natural voice in a way that makes me nuts. I could list 47 Hollywood actor dudes who I think talk way too high for my taste. Her voice just drives me nuts, so I prefer read what she says, and it's better for everyone.

Feel like the convo went from

"Btw she could work on her voice, all that speaking, she might damage it without working on it"

to

"Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto will make her lose Independent votes and swing the White House to Kodos"

in minutes.

I'd say "telephone game" but it's written down yo.

I appreciate your comprehending defense, N.

Her smoky, non-diaphragmatic alto

gonna borrow this for the next time I write about Meghan Trainor.

Jess Phillips not good enough for you?

― Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously what is this meme that I like Jess Phillips, she is obviously awful

what is the most politically appropriate voice?

I think the thing I appreciate most about AOC right NOW, besides the obvious giving the party a needes kick to the left, is that her troll game is strong enough to make her opponents show their asses in fhe exact way she wants them to. I don't mean internet trolls, who were doing that since BBSes existed...but sitting politicians.

She just needles them in a way that makes them finally unable to toe the line of acceptability and make whatever sexist, racist, ageist insult possible.

Granted, anybody with a brain saw all that shit from the jump, but we need indie votes in 2020, and any time she can force an old white Pub Senator or Rep into a public, electronic unforced error that plays into the party's worst stereotype, I'm all for it.