2020 Democratic presidential primary

what i wanna know is, why could she not just look at what other people were doing, surely as a career politician she has a knack for that

i guess no one wants to be gerald ford trying to eat his tamale with the wrapper still on

other than idiots, who cares whether she eats chicken with a knife and fork

it seems like a really petty thing to pick on.

Have you met our electorate?

um, kiki?

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https://www.latlmes.com/breaking/hillary-clinton-announces-2020-nomination-run-1

jesus. she's never gonna give this up is she?

sometimes you just have to roll the dice

i'm with her

klobuchar's announcing this afternoon, in minneapolis.

does she have a chance? just in terms of name recognition she's already fighting an uphill battle. i don't know a lot about the kinds of policies she's pushed in the past. i thought she handled herself quite well during the hearings for the golden boy kavanaugh, but she didn't exactly scream "presidential contender" either

I welcome her, unless that leg shaving thing is true. Can't imagine her gaining a lot of traction, and don't know that she's really pushing any ideas anyone else has missed, but go for it I guess.

the main thing i've seen in her favor - and a point i think she's also pushing - is that she would be able to win the upper midwest states that clinton lost in 2016. that's a plus, sure, but it's not exactly inspiring

I think the pundit class consensus fwiw is that that is also true of Gillibrand.

Which seems wildly off to me

I misunderstood the leg shaving story with klobuchar—i thought she made female staffers shave THEIR legs, not hers, which is much weirder.

Agreed xp

That tweet about eating the fried chicken make me want to stab. Shit is hard to eat with your hands if you don't have a hairtie. Places need to do what ramen places do and have a little jar of rubberbands for your hair.

One thing that's been bothering me from the Bernie/AOC left on twitter is the cries of bandwagon jumping and opportunism from Harris, Gillibrand, et al regarding the Green New Deal.

THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS TO PICK UP SUPPORT FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Worth remembering:

Some keep asking what can beat Trump? He lost by over 4 million votes. He got in b/c of voter suppression swinging 80k votes in a few states. How do you beat him? Fight voter suppression, turn out votes, don’t write off any states & fight him in the South.

— Rev. Dr. Barber (@RevDrBarber) February 10, 2019

*promiment politician looks around him and thinks that democrats crave a "centrist"*

Are you ready for MICHAEL BENNETMENTUM? https://t.co/YFOY0xGIEV

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) February 10, 2019

This seems like a good way to go hard against Trump in tandem w the “he’s a symptom of bigger problems” imo

Warren didn't mention Trump by name during first Iowa tour, but she hits him at the start of this one. "By the time we get to 2020, Donald Trump may not be president. In fact, he may not even be a free person."

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) February 10, 2019

Sure, borrow revolutionary rhetoric but pretend the American justice system as it currently exists is capable of doling out commensurate punishment to the wealthy.

But yeah, sure, it'll piss him off.

I just think to resonate w Dem primary voters you have to ride the line between “the problems/goals are bigger than him” while also acknowledging that he’s uniquely bad in many ways.

ok so I messaged a friend who has worked on many big state and national campaigns, I guess I messed up the story, but yes AK made a male staffer shave her legs.

he's pretty jaded about weird politics and actually thinks she's a really effective senator, he says all the mean stories are true but he just sees it as her being demanding...but yeah I know I sound crazy but if he says it I would bet on it

looks like it's percolating on Twitter now

Will require razor sharp reporting

— Caitlin Legacki 🤦🏼‍♀️ (@caitleg) February 9, 2019

Seems a clear case of sexual harassment?

Medicare Fur All

Some keep asking what can beat Trump? He lost by over 4 million votes. He got in b/c of voter suppression swinging 80k votes in a few states. How do you beat him? Fight voter suppression, turn out votes, don’t write off any states & fight him in the South.
— Rev. Dr. Barber (@RevDrBarber) February 10, 2019

this dude gets it, consistently. more consistently than pretty much anyone IMO.

That's kinda why the "Dems need a long look in the mirror" takes post 2016 infuriated me. The guy limped across the finish line through a grotesque star alignment and suddenly electoral victories are sorcery?

Dems lost two elections like this to the same terrible candidate and turned it into an 8 year White House stint (pre-emptive stfu Morbs)

southern af and I eat fried chicken and hot wings with fork/fingers combo.

Fork to scrap the remains

my bones are hella clean

Here's how NYT covered Trump eating fried chicken the same way Gillibrand did -- with a sycophantic oped chastising themselves for having ever questioned Trump's choices pic.twitter.com/uRkXQKXjrJ

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 10, 2019

that wasn't NYT, that was an op-ed by frank bruni. but yeah, NYT sucks for continuing to pay him.

re: klobuchar, lots of people hold themselves and their teams to high standards and are not assholes.

iirc being a dick to subordinates is a thing people do to affirm to themselves and others that they are important and that their standards are very high.

the leg shaving thing is just wat.

you do not recall correctly

I left a position due because dickishness had caused my mental health to deteriorate. I had high standards myself that I ceased to be able to meet due to the bullying.

Caek otm

apparently something got lost in the layers of irony there. I think we’re agreeing?

David Klion profiles Sanders' foreign policy guru, not named Blob despite the url

https://www.thenation.com/article/matt-duss-bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-blob/

lol that's Professor Blob to you

That Duss profile is really good.

that wasn't NYT, that was an op-ed by frank bruni. but yeah, NYT sucks for continuing to pay him.

― Karl Malone, Sunday, February 10, 2019 6:09 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is a pet peeve of mine, something said by an op-ed columnist is not something the “NYT said”

also, sarah kendzior

I don’t know much about her. Did she say “Trump won’t be dangerous” or something?

I'll be very curious which candidates will step in to defend Ilhan Omar (assuming this remains a controversy)

what did she do?

oh, twitter, israel...she's done similar before she was elected. she's not gonna stop.

lol at c&p-ing kendzior in 2019

Did I miss some memo about Sarah Kendzior not being ok anymore?

Was she ever actually ok

I dunno. I've never followed her on twitter. Just seen selected retweets from other people and she's always seemed a useful part of the conversation, so I can't say.

It’s possible it’s because she was pretty early in sayinh that the Russia stuff was a big deal and as we know that turned out not to be true

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII on board I Love Everything on Aug 31, 2016

There is something reliably machine like about Henwood. I saw the other day that he tweeted something about how Chelsea's friend was taking over her position at the foundation and I guess we were supposed to be bowled over with outrage idk. It's like Doug you can take a day off from Clinton beat.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII on board I Love Everything on Sep 8, 2016

You're not allowed to criticize Putin anymore. It's just going to upset people who see neoliberalism as enemy #1.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget on board I Love Everything on Sep 15, 2016

I'm always amazed when a Nader apologist is willing to go as far as "actually Gore would have invaded Iraq too". A great way to avoid the very simple question "Looking back were the two major candidates really the same?". Maybe a case can be made that the long term goal of Green Party support is still worth that risk but instead you get the cheap denial of "It didn't happen."

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget on board I Love Everything on Sep 16, 2016

I don't believe the birther stuff will cost him. He's somewhat successfully bullshitted his way out of it so that the media is actually treating it as a debate over "who started it".

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread I've had people say it's a hardening, actually ~ US presidential election 2016 part 9/11 never forget on board I Love Everything on Oct 3, 2016

The "basement dweller" thing isn't about actually convincing Sanders die hards to vote for Trumo as much as just suppress potential votes for Hlllary. The only people I've seen view the leaked audio as anything other than sympathetic are right wing creeps and some of the more aggressively idiotic Stein supporters.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks on board I Love Everything on Oct 18, 2016

Wikileaks can't be called "objective flow of information ". Aside from the fact that the leaks themselves are a partisan act in support of the white nationalist candidate, WL has promoted individual emails in a grossly misleading out of context way ("taco bowls", implying Hillary used an ear piece in the debate to cheat, intentionally fanned the flames of the "murdered DNC staffer killed by Hillary" conspiracy). Their approach with these particular leaks has been a pretty bottom of the barrel exercise.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread Mourning in America - Trump Year One: November '16 to on board I Love Everything on Nov 16, 2016

Days before the election Henwood was touting that some publishing house was releasing a book of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches with (surely obnoxious) forwards written by both him and Assange. I love these guys who literally for months argued that HRC was worse then Trump now are like "here's what the libs should have done to have prevented that obviously worse outcome we are now stuck with". Such pieces of shit who honestly should be apologizing acting so smug now.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread America under Trump - Year One: January 2017 to ... January 2017 on board I Love Everything on Jan 3, 2017

I've seen the figure thrown around w concern from people on left who are annoyed that Russia (or if literally any other reason for Trump winning than "Hillary is bad") is brought up that "50% of Clinton voters think Russia hacked voting machines" which you know when people were saying "rigged primary" for months seems like something you probably shouldn't express concern about.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread America under Trump - Year One: January 2017 to ... January 2017 on board I Love Everything on Jan 3, 2017

Yeah I don't know how anyone is expected to take the "we can't allow discussing any reasons for Trump winning other than Hillary and the neoliberals are bad" position as anything other than childish. The Comey letter in particular had an impact.

Nerdstrom Poindexter wrote this on thread America under Trump - Year One: January 2017 to ... January 2017 on board I Love Everything on Jan 4, 2017

It was only Hillary's fault she lost the general election (no other reasons are allowed I can't accept it) and also at the same time it wasn't Bernie's fault in any way that he lost the primary.