"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Jesus Martin Campbell's had an odd career though.

(I'm not feeling any need to defend everything MLC wrote for Buzzfeed and tbh I doubt she is either)

xxp iirc it wasn’t doxxing but she was publishing an address that wasn’t already online but would have been available locally?

Anyway she’s got pretty dubious politics. Just like Jane Merrick if Jane Merrick wrote in the Gawker house style.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/06/tory-mp-ross-thomson-accused-of-groping-men-in-commons-bar#img-1

Scot-cons Ross Thomson is a hands on type of MP.

the leo & gerry pilates clip is proof that this thread can still deliver from time to time

uh easy there thats a clip from another sovereign thread

A thoroughly depressing read about racism in the UK and how basically nobody gives a shit about the government deporting black people.
https://mediadiversified.org/2019/02/06/there-is-a-war-on-black-people-in-britain-if-youre-complacent-youre-complicit/

Have we had a look at this yet?

Corbyn lays out Labour’s terms for backing May on Brexit

I think it's good they're putting this out there, it's more clear than they've been recently. Not that they'll get their way, but that wasn't gonna happen anyway.

(soz that was an xp, didn't mean to talk over your link gyac)

That’s fine and you weren’t.

I think the labour terms are sensible in terms of being least damaging to the country. Remain seems completely remote now and yet the people’s vote crowd are losing it over this. But labour can’t stick it out for something that’s not going to get parliamentary support.

I have a feeling May will reject this now, which would be worse for the country but better for Labour. But as per almost every post I’ve made in these threads, I don’t expect any of the people responsible for this to be held to account any time soon so...

The line I've read is that it's a gamble - if she accepted it then hell would break out in both parties, but she won't (probably?)

It may scare some of the Brexiteers towards May's deal - the Tory side of the AAWG can't be loving this at all.

And of course it'll cut May off at the knees in her attempts to claim to the EU that the only way forward will be to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement.

She won't accept it.

The Lib Dems, who are campaigning for a second referendum, have criticised Jeremy Corbyn’s Brexit offer to the government. Tom Brake, the party’s Brexit spokesman, said:

Jeremy Corbyn has turned his back on the millions of Labour members and voters who demand a better future than Tory Brexit Britain. He has chosen to forget that Labour conference voted for the party to campaign for a people’s vote after failing to secure a general election.

After thirty years sitting on the backbenches arguing for more power for members and against the EU, Corbyn has finally chosen to go for the latter at the expense of the former.

At this stage in the game, it’s about damage limitation. We all know the LDs would sigh and bluster and join the Tories in government again without a glance back if they were offered.

May is not going to accept this position but the soft exit is obviously the best choice. If the country was actually going for a soft exit, it also opens up the space for people to ask if remaining - with a say, veto and all the opt outs - wouldn’t actually make more sense. But we’re not actually there yet and remain is still polling within the margin of error.

All votes are contextual / performative - the government may yet pass the bill that received the greatest defeat in etc etc.

the turning point twitter storm has quickly mutated into something v complex

pic.twitter.com/3xRenhhimw

— Turning Point Albania (@TPIllyria) February 6, 2019

This is the point at which it may have made sense to put a 2nd referendum to Parliament, whip for it and wait for it to be voted down - either you have a lifeboat or you have proof that there isn't one. Otherwise we're in perpetual "yes but..." territory. The danger here is that when you do end up working with the govt your Brexit policy just looks incoherent (but, erm, it is).

This was always going to happen at some point.

Putting a 2nd ref to Parliament might've been seen as a betrayal by Labour Leave voters.

Not even that but idk how you can argue it’s not time wasting when votes have gone the way they have and story rebels don’t exist.

Theresa May won’t be putting forward any firm new Brexit proposals to EU leaders today, her official spokesperson confirms.

There are 50 days to go until Brexit.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) February 7, 2019

Oh and btw May has already rejected Corbyn’s offer, as predicted.

Corbyn might acquiesce/capitulate if we really get close to No deal land, but as we've all seen he can be stubborn himself.

So we tumble clownishly off the cliff then?

Its politics...so that's a possibility.

"The fundamental point is that it is now impossible to conceive of a Brexit deal which secures the majority support of MPs across the House of Commons which would not simultaneously break up either the Tory Party or the Labour Party or - more probably - both parties" — @Peston

— Adam Payne (@adampayne26) February 7, 2019

putting nsfw after the nsfw image doesn't really help

Apologies.

is that meant to be some metaphor for the inevitable FBPE full-meltdown primal anguish

tbh i'm good with the break-up of the Tories and the Labour party

umunna-leslie party only ever going to be a spoiler - if it’s going to happen it will happen on the eve of the next election, calculated to maximise damage to future PM call-me-jez corbyn

misread that as 'marximise damage' :)

.@theresa_may statement on @JunckerEU talks (attached) represents her ripping up hope she can get Brexit deal through with support of her ERG Brexiter MPs. She either wins support of Labour MPs or it’s no-deal or no Brexit. @jeremycorbyn in driving seat https://t.co/eHaN6vj2Yf pic.twitter.com/pmD810VKRb

— Robert Peston (@Peston) February 7, 2019

The fun thing about having so many Blairites parachuted into safe seats over the years is that they have to overturn huge pro-Labour voter blocs and ground operations if they are going to try to defect / break away and retain their local areas.

Well quite. The only reason these fucks don't join the Lib Dems is naked careerism.

I don't think they're really looking to split, I think the plan is to split him from his younger voter base, make sure Corbyn owns Brexit and then maximise the betrayal narrative when it goes wrong. They're going to make sure everyone knows he's working with the Tories.

I think it'll probably work to some extent and it's an elephant trap he'd be best avoiding. Where it will probably fail is that there's no chance in hell of younger Labour voters coalescing round Chuka or whoever else they have lined up.

who are these masterminds exactly?

https://images.vice.com/vice/images/articles/meta/2016/08/08/owen-smith-bbq-in-london-fields-1470652671.jpg

kinnock_wife_lecture.m4a

Put it this way I'd be very surprised if these guys weren't taking direct advice from Alistair Campbell, who is a busted flush politically but still retains enough influence in the media and must exist in a state of constant eye-popping rage about his guys having lost control of the party. (Even if it's mostly his fault).

.@guyverhofstadt: Mrs May has accepted there has to be a backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement. Again Verhofstadt says the only room for manoeuvre is on the Political Declaration. Welcomes Corbyn letter to May offering a cross-party approach to Brexit

— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) February 7, 2019

If Corbyn's base were really agitating for a 2nd ref or remaining in the EU it would have been a lot more than some report/poll in The Observer by now, and you might have seen a push for a 2nd ref in Parliament.

No doubt people are angry and sad over leaving the EU, but I reckon the base recognise its just one of a number of issues facing the country.

Which is why People's Vote lot want a split so much. According to them the base of both Tory and Labour Party have lost it with only the Lib Dems being the adults in the room. Shame there is only 10 of them.

Cable counts as 2 adults tho

Yeah but Farron is three babies standing on each other’s shoulders.

I stepped on some Cable in the park earlier, might throw them shoes out tbh.

xp Hey, please nobody ruin Vincent Adultman for me!

Guy Verhofstadt:

We cannot have an agreement with uncertainty in the UK based on majorities of six, seven, eight, nine votes in the House of Commons. Cross-party cooperation is the way forward, and I can say that we welcome also the letter that Jeremy Corbyn has written today to Mrs May to offer such a cross-party exit. It is important now that this leads to a position in the UK that has the broadest possible majority so that we can conclude this negotiation.

The Lib Dems have sent an email that’s so terrible that it’s actually quite sweet. pic.twitter.com/B2xdMZldMx

— Tom Hamilton (@thhamilton) February 6, 2019

tick thinks milk turns frogs gay

Can't abide Guy Verhofstadt tbh

Oh, 200,000 people supporting a people's vote. Super work.