2020 Democratic presidential primary

That Harris tweet seems extremely true and not weird to me? Idk maybe I'm not understanding all the angles?

That tweet makes complete sense. Or is it that most countries have those issues that is the confusing part?

yeah it seems like a pretty standard tweet to me

it's a pretty elaborate way of putting it but she is saying that one weakness that can be manipulated is the ease w/which we can be set against each other.

"let's not do homophobia because sexuality-based discrimination is a civil rights issue" and "let's not do homophobia because Russia might exploit it" as being concerns anywhere near equal to each other is weird to me idk

That's not what she's saying at all though. Come on.

totally un-weird tweet

xp -- thinking it's weird is weird!

eh she's just saying that the issues have dogged america forever and that those divisions can be exploited by those who want to undermine us. all of which seems pretty standard from a 2020 dem nominee. don't think this tweet needs much discussion or explication

Yeah, you have an extremely weird way to read, Simon. Seriously.

It's very possible.

one last lol at "they figured out" tho

i don't think you really lolled tbh

tbf no one ever really has

The fears about russia are simultaneously well founded—the disinfo was real—and pathological, because it adds this neurotic secondary consideration to everything people say and disrupts our ability to discuss issues on their own terms.

god I hope I never have to discuss any issues

The Harris tweet seems maybe a welcome pushback against the worst “resistance” liberal tendencies that blame Russian disinfo/interference a bit too heavily instead of looking a little bit at the domestic problems that were already present and that anyone else could have taken advantage of

It’s just really easy, also, for people to get manipulative sith it. Someone says something you don’t like, or controversial, and accuse them of resembling a russian bot or even being one

Part of the reason everything is bad. Tomorrow I will share my quick program for making it good.

I'm on tenterhooks

tmi

"As a Minnesotan" not only should Klobuchar not be running for prez, but she should be primaried from the left for her senate seat.

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Is she a right winger? I thought people liked her

I don't know much about her beyond that she won re-election by a huge margin iirc...?

p cool to see this many women in the primary field, I have to say. Totally unprecedented for a national party.

her prosecutorial record seems decidedly um less progressive than Harris' for what that's worth (she gets a "D" from NORML lol)

I didnt even know she was a prosecutor.

For one thing, she very consistently votes to confirm repulsive nominees when lots of other Democrats don't--Pompeo, Wilbur Ross, etc. Voted for the reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (lots of other Democrats didn't). That's just in the most recent session

she seems generally ok to me, fairly moderate, some questionable votes and positions for sure but she's had a p long career so that's to be expected. She has not, as far as I can tell, tacked hard to the left following Trump's election as Harris and Gillebrand did. I don't see her endorsing M4A (she's more in line with Sherrod Brown there) or an aggressive upper income tax rate or free college or a Green New Deal.

in other words I get why she's running and she's not outright terrible (like Gabbard), but she's not my favorite, and she's gonna get attacked from the left

xxxp she brings it up whenever there are BLM/support-our-cops type civil protest issues here

I mean, she's okay if you think Manchin, Doug Jones, Heitkamp, Kaine, McCaskill et al are okay, as that's who her votes resemble. I feel like MN's more progressive than that, and I'd hope the 2020 pres candidate would be more progressive than that.

her argument is obviously gonna be that you need a white moderate to win the midwest states

idk if that's true, but we're gonna find out

it's gonna be that she is a dedicated civil servant who has passed lots of bipartisan legislation that impacts issues that average americans care about

which is hardly enough

you need a white moderate to win the midwest states

It is true that Mondale won Minnesota.

I think those arguments are one and the same tbh lol

xp

She's no Wellstone, let's put it that way (although I'm sure she'd be happy to pose with a 'Wellstone!' sign for a photo op)

zombie Wellstone 2020, tbh

My mom loves Klobuchar a lot

mine likes her too, she's locking up the moms in minne block

She's very popular here, no doubt! I'm just arguing against her based on her actual voting record, is all

Is NORML a key player here?

What do y'all think about this take?

Now to be perfectly clear, as Richard Nixon used to say, there would be a real issue here if there was any evidence that Warren had used her self-identification as a Native person between the mid-1980s and the mid-1990s to advance her career, which at the time was being a law professor.

But not only is there no evidence that she did: There is copious documentary evidence proving that she didn’t do this.

i'm not really following warren-gate that closely, but just wanted to note that this news broke yesterday:

Elizabeth Warren listed her race as "American Indian" on a State Bar of Texas registration card in 1986, the Washington Post reported Tuesday

that's already been posted itt.

(and hand-waved away)

I should also include this important context:

A Warren aide did not dispute to CNN the card's legitimacy or Warren's handwriting, and noted that the form was not a part of the application to the bar, but rather a registration card to the Texas Bar after the senator was already admitted. The aide declined to comment on whether there might be other unreported examples of Warren having claimed American Indian heritage.

so it wouldn't be an example of her claiming native heritage to advance her career, since she did it after she was already admitted. but still, worth noting because it seems to be previously unknown information.

xposts

Trump, however, shot a person in the middle of Fifth Avenue in New York City in 2016, but no one is talking about that.

is the native american stuff really what we want to spend valuable minutes reading and talking about? how can this possibly be of interest to anyone here?

In the 80s there wasn’t the same awareness of appropriation as there is now. Exaggerating a kinship to a minority culture was the opposite of what a racist would do.

If this makes people think less of warren i think they’re strange. I understood why the dna test rubbed native groups the wrong way and to warren’s credit she apologized. This entire “scandal” is a trump creation—like the obama birth certificate “controversy”

akm has a legit interest in it. iirc, he stated he is a registered tribal member. but in terms of what a Warren presidency would look like, it is probably not very indicative.

is the native american stuff really what we want to spend valuable minutes reading and talking about? how can this possibly be of interest to anyone here?

sorry, didn't mean to bring all this up again. i mean, i did i guess. but it was just because there seemed to be some factual inaccuracies in what people were saying upthread, in light of the news.