"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

I have had that conversation irl a few times and my response, because I am a boring cunt irl too, is to go “no I don’t” and mention a few of her worse policies.

A legally binding limit won’t pass in Parliament. The Prime Minister would suffer a further crushing defeat. It’s open the Withdrawal Agreement, remove the backstop, or No Deal. https://t.co/zWVNtUvVgi

— Nadine Dorries (@NadineDorries) February 6, 2019

There’ll always be something wrong with the deal.

i cant figure out if theres a large element of "it wont be the thick fucking paddies tellings u what to do whatever happens" in their strong aversion to the backstop or if they genuinely just cannot comprehend the inherent contradictions in what they're demanding

they don’t take yes for an answer

Someone at our NYE party didn’t realise she was in a room full of left writers etc and tried to argue Theresa May’s KBO stance was admirable, and the entire room turned to her and pretty much as one said ‘hostile environment!’

I would thought their contempt for Ireland and the Irish would have been obvious by now, deems. It's not like anything's ever really changed in that regard.

xxxp we aren’t a nation to some of them, we’re that Punch cartoon of the drunken caricature threatening poor civil Britain.

Not a proper country.

i guess and like look i dont know from where but i guess i thought well...i dont know what i thought

https://youtu.be/6OdEJyMywU4
I mean, they’re caricaturing this lad from Castleknock as some sort of Provo ffs. (Also while looking for that video I found the one of Gerry Adams saying in the Dáil that they attended the same yoga class, lol.)

Re: May - having low cunning is an utterly worthless skill if you lack the broader political compass that informs it. She thought that a bit of "just about managing" and a lot of anti-immigrant and "red white and blue Brexit" bluster would be enough to turn whole swathes of Labour heartlands blue. She was wrong.

This combination is even worse when combined with utter blind stubborness.

Re: Corbyn, I don't understand what he was doing when he was mouthing off about the backstop at all. It was inconsistent with most of his other lines and potentially actively harmful.

agreed - I think he was still trying to triangulate to strip off DUP. while they are still most likely faction to collapse the govt, triangulation should not be done at all costs ie the backstop is good not bad

"red white and blue Brexit"

when the colossal behind-the-scenes history of brexit is written, i think one of the things i'll be most interested in reading about is wtf they were thinking when they came up with this lunatic branding effort

I think the depressing answer is there's nothing behind the scenes on that one

yeah, all the answers are depressing i guess

I mean the other thing about May's total lack of political compass is that all of her thinking was about the voters she could attract. All evidence suggests that not a second's thought was given to the voters she might alienate, and there were lots of them.

Having said that, she still got a huge % of voters and that in itself is worrying, although weirdly I think she was good for getting more of them than almost any other alternate leader.

Tories were the main beneficiary of the UKIP collapse.

Yes, that has been mentioned before. May doesn’t get her % without a huge amount of Tory remainers and moderates voting for her anyway.

Delighted to have won my High Court case against The Sun.

Their slur attempting to link me to “Nazi symbols" was held to be false and defamatory.

The Judge ordered The Sun to pay £30,000 in damages.

With that I'll fund a paid justice internship for a young person from Leeds. pic.twitter.com/uWlsdhSUoR

— Richard Burgon MP (@RichardBurgon) February 6, 2019

kudos

Yeah that's great news.

Will that rag have to publish the decision in a prominent place, or can they stuff it in between the horoscope somewhere?

Stanstead 15 not going to jail.

some good news for a change

Good!

Good news day!

there was an 8am demo in manchester this morning in support of them

More good news.

Probably.

but who will remain to ask the probing questions like 'why doesn't the republic of ireland just rejoin the uk'

QT seems to have got even worse since Dimbers left, but saying that Today is already at such a nadir...

As well as leaving Today, could he also just generally fuck off?

today asking tom watson this morning whether corbyn is actually still secretly leave (on the back of that clip surfacing yesterday)

Nah, he'll do those programmes where he wanders about pondering shit and looking into the distance.

xp - altho...?

Corbyn leave trutherism is so fucking tedious, it’s not like his vote would have turned the tide anyway, and when you have huge numbers of MPs energetically advocating for the worst possible option... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

particularly because the person who's actually responsible for organising brexit fucking voted remain!

on the other hand some might feel the way people voted in this relatively significant referendum might be important, especially if the person whose vote is in question is somewhat involved in politics.

xpost

it's just a self-serving myth that labour leadership failed in the remain campaign. corbyn's 7/10 accurately reflected the sentiment both among party members and labour voters. a different leader (with a sympathetic media tailwind) would not have swung a million votes from leave to remain.

if you think there's someone who could have increased the remainers among labour supporters far in excess of the europhile LDs (68% remain) and greens (80% remain) - then I have a bridge to sell you. leave won because: 60% of tory voters ignored their party leadership and voted out; 1/3 LAB and LD voters did the same; and the increased turnout skewed heavily to leave

xp thankfully the whole conversation is being held in the best of faith and definitely not a distraction from the actual wreckers in charge though right?

what does a LD voter who voted Leave look like

...a Cornishman?

xpost i agree with ||||| completely but i can also understand people taking an interest in how the leader of the labour party voted.

and sure gyac, but i don't think we should form our views based on responses to bad faith arguments. it is important how he voted. he is the leader of the second biggest party in the country. his political views are important just as the point about may is important.

bath!

xp

ooh i'm wrong they were remain :/

The vote is three years old this June and is not being brought up in good faith. Anyone seriously invested I this is doing the Tories’ work for them. I am inclined to believe Corbyn voted Remain as he said he did, and he’s since said would do so again. The rest of your point is patronising nonsense devoid of context, so it can stay there.

May voted Leave only I see thru it

The vote is three years old this June and is not being brought up in good faith. Anyone seriously invested I this is doing the Tories’ work for them. I am inclined to believe Corbyn voted Remain as he said he did, and he’s since said would do so again. The rest of your point is patronising nonsense devoid of context, so it can stay there.

i don't think it's patronising to mildly disagree with someone on a politics thread without any personal attack whatsoever - your reaction seems fairly ott.

wait is labour really the second biggest party in the country?

okay - i think how he voted is important because he is labour leader and the labour leader's political views are important to me. is that better?

xp I guess making incredibly obvious points, as though speaking to a child, and then feigning ignorance when you get pushback might be a productive approach somewhere.

I see Tusk has decided to bring out the “special place in Hell rhetoric” so I expect tomorrow to be a complete shitshow. Bets on when the lectern comes out?