2020 Democratic presidential primary

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https://hmmdaily.com/2019/02/05/choose-a-different-hill-to-die-on/

The Hill is awful

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/politics/warren-american-indian-texas-bar/index.html

alright, this lady has lost all credibility with me. Stay in the Senate and do good work there, but this was fucking stupid and she can't be president. Sorry.

Lol fuck

Idgaf about anything any candidates did in 1986 really

I am pretty sure at this point that even though my dad told me I was a quarter German and Polish it was more of an excuse of why he ate so much sausage.

Looking forward to the Facts page entry

Now that that’s over, please watch my friend Stacey Abrams share her message for the country. https://t.co/j6oL1eLFkF

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) February 6, 2019

Not sure it’s remotely “disqualifying” level bad.

Haha I was gonna share the Bernie tweet

Two of my grandparents were from Oklahoma, we had the same bullshit "great great grandma was Cherokee" story. It's the Okie version of stealing valor.

Would there have been e.g. affirmative action benefits associated with Native identity on a TX bar registration in 1986?

There's a pretty wide gap btwn bullshit family lore and this imo

Not willing to say it's disqualifying but it's fucking embarrassing

Sund4r's question makes the difference I think

Yeah, I'm just saying that re: her explanation about the family lore and how it all started.

Didn't she already admit to listing herself as a Native American in directories in the '80s?

no, she said the schools did that on their own.

it's embarrassing because she certainly gave the impression that she'd never actually written this herself on anything. But here we have her handwriting. So, she either forgot about this, or lied about it. which is why I say she's lost credibility.

Yeah, I kind of don't really care too much about that too because I remember so much about the 80s and 90s and randomly choosing to identify as white or asian pacific islander or two races just based upon how I was feeling that day. Even now I randomly select it. She should still acknowledge it and move on.

I’m making a big announcement on Sunday. Join me there: https://t.co/Hz91NGE8hB pic.twitter.com/7Yz1dgaa31

— Amy Klobuchar (@amyklobuchar) February 6, 2019

Is it about Game of Thrones?

I like Amy a lot.

I'm gonna need a refresher course on whomst the fuck she is tbh

"Idgaf about anything any candidates did in 1986 really

― legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), "

it's not like the 80's were the goddamned middle ages. It's not cool that Northam did blackface, and it's not cool to insist you're native american when you have like, no relatives who lived on a reservation, weren't steeped in the culture, have zero tribal registration, etc. I'm tired of white people expecting to get a pass because they were naive.

blackface is different than parents telling you what to bring to school for international heritage food day though. Racism was always bad. 23&me wasn't really a thing in the 80s.

But I am not native american so I don't really have a say in it

Can we not use parents/school language for discussing this even as an example, warren was almost 40 at the time

I am 40 now and I still have no clue what to put as my race. The US is so messed up.

But whatever, I like Klobuchar too.

"I am 40 now and I still have no clue what to put as my race. "

well it's a fair guess that you wouldn't feel compelled to put "American Indian" because you heard your great great great great memaw was a cherokee princess.

(I am native american. and TBH I don't feel even half as strongly about this as a lot of people do. I think it's great we have some native women in congress now though. they should run for President).

what's with the 'pre announcements'? it would be kind of funny if Klobuchar's big announcement on sunday was that she wasn't running.

while it is certainly your privilege to sort the candidates by any criteria you wish, may I suggest that a better criterion than your anger about someone's naiveté in the 1980s might be to figure out what it is you positively want to happen and back the candidate you decide is most likely to deliver the largest part of that outcome. or whatever. it's up to you.

In this case even if you're not upset enough at what she did to disqualify her, the ways it could be used against her on the campaign trail may well be reason enough for plenty of people to disqualify her.

xpost, I literally am trying to remember if any of my white relatives ever tried to say we were native american, but that is a definite no. but i remember in really white clubby company they were always looking for a token or something "exotic". Not saying it was right, but when you aren't a white man you end calculating what you can use and when. I have never worn blackface though.

I liked this recent Klobuchar profile:
https://www.vogue.com/article/amy-klobuchar-minnesota-senator-interview

kinda hope Inslee or McAuliffe sticks it out just so there's a non-Senator option when push comes to shove

BUTTIGEIG DAMMIT

butttigieg*

DNA testing was invented in 1985. It would be years before it was commercially available, and decades before you could just pay $100 to find out what your background is. Elizabeth Warren did what everyone else in the world did: take your parents' word that you were what they said you were. ffs why is this even a discussion?? She has never claimed tribal affiliation at any point.

What do y'all think about this take?

Now to be perfectly clear, as Richard Nixon used to say, there would be a real issue here if there was any evidence that Warren had used her self-identification as a Native person between the mid-1980s and the mid-1990s to advance her career, which at the time was being a law professor.

But not only is there no evidence that she did: There is copious documentary evidence proving that she didn’t do this. As the Boston Globe revealed last fall, nobody at any of the four law schools that hired Warren who played any role in those hiring decisions thought of her as anything but a white woman when they made those decisions, because Warren never presented as anything but a white woman to those institutions in the course of those various hiring processes.

Again, there is no doubt about this. The only “affirmative action” boost Warren got, to the extent she ever got one, was because she was a woman, at a time when there were very few women law professors (In 1993, when Harvard offered her a job, only seven of the 62 tenured members of the HLS faculty were women, and as recently as the mid-1970s the total number of women who had ever taught on the tenure-track faculty at HLS was zero. Harvard Law School didn’t even admit women students until 1950).

It’s also clear from this reporting that Warren identified for a time as a Native person for complex psychological and emotional reasons, related to a complicated family history. That identification, in other words, was the exact opposite of some sort of cynical ploy by which she claimed to be a racial or ethnic minority in order to advance her career (which again, it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt she never did).

I think that's a lot of nuance and the facts won't stop her being mocked over it and having to be in apology mode every time one of these documents turns up

"She never used her Native status to get a job" is pretty unnuanced.

Then I'm sure this will not continue to be a problem.

eh I just don't see Dem voters caring? Not when the president is a sociopath and self-admitted raper? Besides, we have no evidence that Trump is able to harm any opponent with whom he's not competing for conservative votes.

I think it’s a shame that a thing like this will derail Warren, a Senator with an extraordinary record who, I think, really has a skill for calling out Republican bullshit for what it is.

tbc I'm not a Warren supporter yet but I don't see this matter as any more pressing on Dem primary voters than Harris' record as a prosecutor, which harmed more people.

I hope not.