The Irish

our lot are ff but god help us no child of the 80s onwards follows that pls god

And yet still they persevere.

ive come along rapidly to the "it could be a lot worse" kinda thinking looking around yknow

also....i mean, ran the cumann ff family if we're conffessing

👀👀👀👀

So, that Karen Bradley eh?

Honestly amazed at how I’ve gone from “the North should decide what it wants for itself” to “UNITE IRELAND NOW” in like a relatively short period?

I had a fight with my parents about this recently and our perspectives might as well be miles apart now.

with apologies to gyac for bumping other thread with this:

we'll talk about it in here so i spose

the statement by SoS for NI made to the house of commons yesterday is not just a resigning matter but should be an international scandal the scale of which should see ambassadors, foreign ministers and idk any human rights, justice or military union either country is involved in involved and investigating as a priority

its not as important as internal labour party intrigue obv but hey this is probably a good reminder that yknow countries really should rule themselves

― god knows i want to fp (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 March 2019 12:36 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its absolutely true tho about becoming a republican all of a sudden!

not just this but a few accumulated bits and pieces, brexit and tories being tories i guess are central

It's almost as if NI has always been a bad faith pretence of a country that's ignored by the English unless there's some political advantage wants milking

are you...Hibernosplaining

lol hes not wrong maybe

i dont usually feel like a naif but i mean oof

re thread, I was mostly joking, níl aon fadhb again leat i ndairíre...

ffs first ilx fucks up my attempt to post itt and then autocorrect does too, now I know how Wolfe Tone felt

lollllz

It's a fair cop, just wanted to acknowledge this week's shitshow tbh

Now I know how Wolfe Tone felt, now I know how Wolfe Tone felt,
As the blade rose to his proddy throat and he drained all his heeeealth

Patriotism is not my natural reaction when I see what is happening in the UK.

im not sure anyone is advocating blind patriotism as opposed to reminding ourselves of the merits of home rule

any support for that feels fairly theoretical or abstract to me i suppose - i don't know what steps would have to happen for a united ireland or whether i would want them to happen.

Yeah that seems like an odd take considering the tone of the respective posts.

well i felt relatively confident in darragh's ability to have a discussion

I'm sure a post-Brexit uk government will take a strong line on protecting the human rights of all of its citizens

xp honestly just killfile me, it doesn’t have to be like this. I’d certainly never mind seeing a reply from you again.

As I ever, autocorrect owns me. I’d certainly never mind NOT...

lads!

i will never killfile anyone tbh. i am happy for people to discuss things here as long as it doesn't become meta or personal.

the question of a 32 county republic is much more on the table as a result of the actions of the dup and tories this past two years, its a natural topic

i now think it will happen in my lifetime, and i wouldn't be particularly surprised to see it happen in the next twenty years

what the unionist minority sop could look like under any such move is hard to imagine, but then so were the strides from 94 onwards and so would have been the gaffes and missteps of doddsy and may et al recently

xp then just don’t bother responding to my posts if you’re unable to bring yourself from calling me “unreasonable” or whatever. If you must take the worst possible interpretation of things I write & then fall back on sneering when I react to your interpretation of things I never said, there’s really no point in us interacting, ever.

xp I don’t see it in my lifetime, but I said that about abortion.

For me I think much more about Catholics north of the border now, and what their lives are like, and the past three years just make me really angry for their lived experience of this shit. I get what some of them mean when they say that Ireland abandoned them, is what I’m trying to say.

i guess it feels like a lot of things are in flight at the moment, instability makes many things feel up for grabs, but what i meant upthread was that for me although i sort of am sympathetic to the idea of a united ireland it feels like the things that would lead to it are potentially fairly sinister, eg a hard brexit or whatever. i can't easily separate the thing itself from the events that are most likely to lead to it.

besides i suppose the usual demographic slide 'it'll happen eventually' idea which has always been around i guess. i mean even reading the stuff today about the anti-eu irish republicans is fairly disturbing. so many things feel like a roll of the dice at the moment.

xpost i didn't respond to your post. you targeted me as doing so. seriously you are just as able to attack others so don't act like a victim because i joined a discussion and didn't precisely agree with you. killfile away.

I would if they had killfile for Safari, but as ever I’m glad to see that my initial suspicions about you were correct, so I guess that will just have to do instead.

i disagreed with darragh as well itt - just get over yourself ffs, i have nothing against you whatsoever i just sometimes disagree with you, like plenty of us do with other people on here. i can post on a thread without someone defensively sneering about my opinion being an 'odd take' or whatever and then acting as if i'm the one carrying stupid grudges.

if ive to stop this car

what the unionist minority sop could look like under any such move is hard to imagine

I remain convinced they'd be singing Fuck The Queen in a heartbeat if they could possibly be convinced they're ahead out of the deal, not sure how you manage it though.

its a thought experiment for sure

For me I think much more about Catholics north of the border now, and what their lives are like, and the past three years just make me really angry for their lived experience of this shit. I get what some of them mean when they say that Ireland abandoned them, is what I’m trying to say.

― gyac, Thursday, 7 March 2019 14:28 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah and their lives in the sixties and early seventies before it all kicked off as a modern conflict

i guess it feels like a lot of things are in flight at the moment, instability makes many things feel up for grabs, but what i meant upthread was that for me although i sort of am sympathetic to the idea of a united ireland it feels like the things that would lead to it are potentially fairly sinister, eg a hard brexit or whatever. i can't easily separate the thing itself from the events that are most likely to lead to it.

besides i suppose the usual demographic slide 'it'll happen eventually' idea which has always been around i guess. i mean even reading the stuff today about the anti-eu irish republicans is fairly disturbing. so many things feel like a roll of the dice at the moment.

― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 7 March 2019 14:28 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

again though, its not cheerleading like an aran sweater made flesh for the cause

and while its def a case of acknowledging the unideal environmental factors which are bringing the situation about, that in itself doesnt make the increased likelihood of the outcome a negative

the question of how to safeguard unionism is key

particularly when they vote in such utter fucking cunts like, i mean theyre not helping are they

Anyone else watching Derry Girls now that it’s back? (Or is it worth a thread now that it’s on Netflix & Americans are watching it?) Loved the blackboard: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1AHLEtX4AEuBXN.jpg

I might be stretching to its limits my ability to be that prick, but it did seem to me that the 'dignified and appropriate' was her head skipping a line, like "these deaths were an exception to the vast majority of our brave boys which etc etc". But the "not crimes" should get her sacked anyway.

In a way (not really) it's good to have as something to point at for "This is why Europe and specifically RoI feel they need a structure to make sure that the UK actually finishes its homework on NI"

the question of how to safeguard unionism is key

Yeah, I'd been saying (possibly on ILX, but I can't find it), that some kind of truth & reconciliation committee would seem necessary. It's be an interesting test of Ireland's view of itself. I talked to a friend who's lived in Portrush for a few years (and has family in the North), and he said that he would not expect this to work at all - that when it comes to closed-loop worldviews, the average DUP voter makes a Fox News viewer look like a wide-eyed gap student.

tbh i'm so much more sympathetic to, say, Arlene Foster, whose resentments seem somewhat justified by traumatic formative experiences like her father being taken out of their house and shot when she was a child than to Theresa May whose seething resentment of immigrants seems entirely fostered by having grown up sealed off from people of colour and from disadvantaged backgrounds. There are lots of people in Northern Ireland who grew up witnessing some heinous shit and in comparison the collective temper-tantrum of so many priveliged middle class brexit voters who lived through the most generous period of the welfare state seems a very false equivalence for the media to draw, and is never really registered in media discussions of the DUP-Tory marriage of convenience.

That Gavin Williamson statement is just repulsive, I’m still angry about it.

It’s just so disgusting, I thought I’d been angry about this but the stuff coming from the British government about this is sick making.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0314/1036367-blood-sunday-reaction/

In a statement following the decision by Northern Ireland’s Public Prosecution Service to charge one former British soldier with the murder of civilians on Bloody Sunday in 1972, the Ministry said the British government will urgently reform the system for dealing with legacy issues.

The UK’s Defence Secretary said the individual affected by the ruling will be offered full legal support.

Gavin Williamson confirmed the Ministry of Defence would support 'soldier F' and pay the legal costs.

its gut wrenching and sickening

when david cameron looks like a fuckin statesman in comparison then youve slunk low

Indeed.

Corbyn said that Cameron apologising for Bloody Sunday was basically the only worthwhile thing he ever did & he wasn’t wrong.

"Our serving and former personnel cannot live in constant fear of prosecution."

Can too, and should.

would there be a case for objection to their article 50 extension ta fuck

I’m with the mural!
https://extramuralactivity.com/2017/12/09/use-the-veto-leo/

just realised this ISN'T an anthony thread

I'm inured to it tbh, I can't really take it personally when they're as angry about Our Heroic Boys being called to account for shite in Iraq or Afghanistan.

When my parents went to Ireland with my grandfather who hadn't been there in 25 years he took them to his favorite pub. When they went in a guy at the bar said "oh god he's back"

— captain glasses (@online_shawn) March 17, 2019

smdh at ppl who doubt this

One side of the family of publicans & can confirm otm

*is!