"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Wilson kept a pic of the Hudds triple title winning side of the 20's in his wallet. Which might just have been as big a contrivance as his pipe tbf.

Attlee then trained as a barrister at the Inner Temple and was called to the bar in March 1906. He worked for a time at his father's law firm Druces and Attlee but did not enjoy the work, and had no particular ambition to succeed in the legal profession.[4] He also played football for non-League club Fleet.[5]

I don't see why the UK couldn't host it and still have separate teams?

Because no-one else would agree to the UK having 4 teams automatically qualified for the finals.

Sorry but Brown has been a Raith Rovers stan foreverrrr.

5) Brown signed defender Marvin Andrews for Raith Rovers in a pub car park
This is only implied, but it is implied strongly. Brown apparently had a habit of getting too involved with his local football club when he had spare time in Scotland. A journalist rang McBride saying that Brown had been seen discussing contract terms with Andrews in a Kirkcaldy pub car park in the middle of the night. Brown's reaction was: "Have they got photos?"

Marvin Andrews the one who famously recovered several months quicker than expected from a serious injury and ascribed it to the Almighty

Peter Mandelson?

Because no-one else would agree to the UK having 4 teams automatically qualified for the finals.

It'll either be a 64 team tournament by then or the UK will have...shrunk.

from a strictly imperial perspective i think it wld be really cool to have a 5 nation intra-island wc

David Mellor?

did brown actually like football?

if not - who was the last with a genuine passion for the game ? anyone ?

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Gordon Brown does actually like football and is a Raith Rovers fan.

those two assertions seem irreconcilable

many feasts of football are served at the San Starko

san starko main stand is so weird (and annoyingly not centred on the halfway line wth)

Regional membership numbers breakdown we've seen shows (rounded):

-104,000 Greater London
-68,000 North West
-62,000 South East
-48,000 Yorks and Humber
-44,000 South West
-39,000 East
-36,000 West Midlands
-33,000 East Midlands
-26,000 'North'
-26,000 Wales
-21,000 Scotland

— Dan Bloom (@danbloom1) February 5, 2019

many xposts but great and convincing post by ogmor on framing.

This is a thread by one of the Stanstead 15, due to be sentenced tomorrow:

this eve I'm packing a bag for prison. have been advised it’s unlikely, but it’s possible. while I’m doing that, I’m thinking about the plane being prepared somewhere in the UK to deport people to Jamaica tomorrow, the same day we’re sentenced.

— klaus (@klausmuzik) February 5, 2019

(I've also updated one of the Venezuela threads with a good summary of various things going on, although if this stuff touches on Corbyn's reponses to it it will inevitably be discussed here)

“She knows what she promised us,” one ERG source said. “Even if she didn’t mean what she said, we do.”

Is Theresa a pathological liar?

seems maybe she is too stupid to be a conscious liar?

maybe right. or deluded rather than stupid.

Wouldn't call her stupid. I don't think she is. Deluded, most def.

Nah, she's got low cunning. But she's utterly shameless, to a level definitely congruent with psychopathy.

So she doesn't mind appearing clueless, idiotic or deluded, as long as it's constant with her aims of power.

She knew what she was doing with the hostile environment policy, with Windrush, and she knows what's she's doing with Brexit. She has her constituency, which read certain newspapers, and her only goal is to preserve the power of her class.

She is an underrated liar, people believe that she is stupid more readily than that she is straight up lying.

both those last seem true, she is utterly impervious to accusations of malevolence while she can so easily be held as helpless

She has her constituency, which read certain newspapers, and her only goal is to preserve the power of her class.

yes, I mean that she is so committed to this as a goal that she is unable to think through the consequences of her statements. for no other gain than to continue on in as entitled a manner as she has spent her life, she will destroy the lives of her constituents and the economy and global standing of her country.

but not through venality or ideology: despite being a Remainer, she lacks the mental openness to have done anything, at any point in the last three years, to handle Brexit in a way that would even make Leave voters happy enough to re-elect her. let alone to bridge any of the gaps in society that led to the vote, or to perform outreach to the Leave voters to gently explain, to slowly turn their minds, that they cannot have what they "voted for," not least because they don't know what that is and it couldn't exist if they did.

if she was only as smart as Bannon, let alone Stephen Miller, the whole fucking thing could have been knocked down simply by touting things that already exist as post-Brexit-vote victories for the Tories. Blue passports had been back for years - "Our goverment has brought blue passports back!" Change the name of a policy regarding immigration from some brown people countries - "This new policy sets a firm stand on our borders, without the control of the EU!" Photo op in front of some crates of brown bananas or bendy bananas, whatever the fucking made-up issue was. Hire more fucking immigrant nurses fr the NHS, send some heinous cunt backbencher onto Sky News to bleat nineteen times a day that "we have refreshed the staff of your local hospitals, bringing highly skilled graduates of lesser countries here to look after your grannies and children, freeing up Good Honest Britons from having to wipe the arses of other Britons:" by the end of the week, gammon will have smugly registered it as a victory

do this for three years, and appoint someone slightly more competent than David Davis to lead an Exploratory Committee on Methods Of Brexit, then announce at the end of the three years that you've achieved most of what Brexit was meant to do, so the committee will be reassessing its scope. they should be ready to release a report in two years. (18 months later the head of committe can resign, and a further committee formed to appoint a new head.)

The difficulty she has is probably not so much with the general public, who can always be finessed to some extent, it’s that there is a large enough constituency within her party - both in Parliament and the grass and roots - who would view anything less than total withdrawal from EU regulations and freedom of movement as a capitulation. They have been working towards this exact moment for thirty years and fundamentally don’t fear the consequences. I am not sure they are as reliably venal as the people lining up behind Trump out of convenience.

both those last seem true, she is utterly impervious to accusations of malevolence while she can so easily be held as helpless

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:28 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the lying thing is interesting in this regard - stephen bush points out that politicians try wherever possible to avoid it (very different from the process ogmor outlined up thread), and when they do, they do it badly. but theresa may does it well and comparatively frequently. my conclusion is that somehow she doesn't see it as lying, either because she believes it because she's been told it and she's not inclined to look past what is immediately in front of her (the cat deportee maybe?), or because she's so inept at triangulation that she believes that saying factually incompatible things to different groups is in some way 'politics' - ie wot ogmor outlined.

"You have to respect that she's marching on in this mess"
Me: "No you don't"
"But she could've also resigned, easy way out, but she's taking responsibility"
Me: "She should have resigned, this is not taking responsibility"
"But it's admirable she's facing this head on w/ all sides divided"
Me: "No it's not"

^^ Had variations of this so many times lately it's enraging. A lot of people whom I thought to know better have some weird sense of admiration because her batteries haven't ran out. It's enraging.

good
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/labour-changing-its-tune-irish-backstop#amp

this is one big problem with JC (see also “trigger A50 now”) - he can run his mouth sometimes

I was surprised by that although I understand the ideological beef, but I would have thought his constituents would be giving him a hard time about it too. I certainly would have, if I lived there.

^^ Had variations of this so many times lately it's enraging. A lot of people whom I thought to know better have some weird sense of admiration because her batteries haven't ran out. It's enraging.

Absolutely.

labour people starting to make heynote speeches on policy is it ?

recosting the manifesto is it ?

*keynote

tom watson speech on regulating social media today. thornberry speech on future labour foreign policy too

God, yes, that "You've got to admire her" shite is infuriating, though I have never heard anyone say it irl. The idea that there is anything remotely admirable about Theresa May is 0_o

she's got a 2:1 in Geography which probably makes May cleverer than a whole heap of other MP's but low cunning might be a bit generous, I'd go with low moral fibre or something instead - because her brand of shameless mendacity is completely transparent and lacking in cunning imo.

I have had that conversation irl a few times and my response, because I am a boring cunt irl too, is to go “no I don’t” and mention a few of her worse policies.

A legally binding limit won’t pass in Parliament. The Prime Minister would suffer a further crushing defeat. It’s open the Withdrawal Agreement, remove the backstop, or No Deal. https://t.co/zWVNtUvVgi

— Nadine Dorries (@NadineDorries) February 6, 2019

There’ll always be something wrong with the deal.

i cant figure out if theres a large element of "it wont be the thick fucking paddies tellings u what to do whatever happens" in their strong aversion to the backstop or if they genuinely just cannot comprehend the inherent contradictions in what they're demanding

they don’t take yes for an answer

Someone at our NYE party didn’t realise she was in a room full of left writers etc and tried to argue Theresa May’s KBO stance was admirable, and the entire room turned to her and pretty much as one said ‘hostile environment!’

I would thought their contempt for Ireland and the Irish would have been obvious by now, deems. It's not like anything's ever really changed in that regard.

xxxp we aren’t a nation to some of them, we’re that Punch cartoon of the drunken caricature threatening poor civil Britain.

Not a proper country.

i guess and like look i dont know from where but i guess i thought well...i dont know what i thought

https://youtu.be/6OdEJyMywU4
I mean, they’re caricaturing this lad from Castleknock as some sort of Provo ffs. (Also while looking for that video I found the one of Gerry Adams saying in the Dáil that they attended the same yoga class, lol.)