"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/feb/05/karl-marx-london-grave-vandalised-suspected-hammer-attack-highgate-cemetery

That'll show 'em!

Hah, I was in the Haringey Irish Cultural and Community Centre last week - I might've seen your uncle in the pictures on the walls, calzino!

I wouldn't be surprised if he was, he's a bit of an activist ledge in his own modest way - Even the Graun did did a two page piece on him about 10 years back!

I've been reading back this thread v slowly for the last hour and just want to acknowledge my agreement with ogmor's post about the myth of rational debate as a political keystone, a thing that has nagged at me for a long time

Yeah that was fairly booming

Ditto.

Magical.

A joint UK and Ireland bid to host the football World Cup would help strengthen relations across the Irish Sea post-Brexit, Theresa May has said.

The British prime minister described the "tantalising" prospect of hosting the 2030 tournament as she outlined ways to bolster the bilateral relationship with Ireland after the UK leaves the EU.

Diplomatic ties between London and Dublin, which have improved markedly in recent decades, have been put under renewed strain during the Brexit process.

On a visit to Belfast today, Mrs May said people on both islands "yearned" for a "close and trusting" relationship.

The only way I’m supporting this muck is if commentary is done solely by a jarred Dunphy and an increasingly angry Roy Keane.

by that point we’ll only be able to afford the commentary track from PES 5

Er, so if the UK are to host the World Cup that means no more national teams for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. I can see she's thought this one through with her usual thoroughness.

Has she ever watched a match in her life? Do you think she knows there are different teams?

roy_of_the_rovers_but_the_ball_is_a_bomb.jpeg

Oh for a Prime Minister with a deep-seated love and understanding of the beautiful game like ah never mind

did brown actually like football?

if not - who was the last with a genuine passion for the game ? anyone ?

Pretty sure none of them were that into it. I'm sure calz can confirm if Wilson was a Huddersfield fan.

Corbyn, on the other hand...

I know fuck all about football but iirc Japan and South Korea joint hosted the world cup so I don't see why the UK couldn't host it and still have separate teams?

Wilson kept a pic of the Hudds triple title winning side of the 20's in his wallet. Which might just have been as big a contrivance as his pipe tbf.

Attlee then trained as a barrister at the Inner Temple and was called to the bar in March 1906. He worked for a time at his father's law firm Druces and Attlee but did not enjoy the work, and had no particular ambition to succeed in the legal profession.[4] He also played football for non-League club Fleet.[5]

I don't see why the UK couldn't host it and still have separate teams?

Because no-one else would agree to the UK having 4 teams automatically qualified for the finals.

Sorry but Brown has been a Raith Rovers stan foreverrrr.

5) Brown signed defender Marvin Andrews for Raith Rovers in a pub car park
This is only implied, but it is implied strongly. Brown apparently had a habit of getting too involved with his local football club when he had spare time in Scotland. A journalist rang McBride saying that Brown had been seen discussing contract terms with Andrews in a Kirkcaldy pub car park in the middle of the night. Brown's reaction was: "Have they got photos?"

Marvin Andrews the one who famously recovered several months quicker than expected from a serious injury and ascribed it to the Almighty

Peter Mandelson?

Because no-one else would agree to the UK having 4 teams automatically qualified for the finals.

It'll either be a 64 team tournament by then or the UK will have...shrunk.

from a strictly imperial perspective i think it wld be really cool to have a 5 nation intra-island wc

David Mellor?

did brown actually like football?

if not - who was the last with a genuine passion for the game ? anyone ?

― ||||||||, Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:52 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Gordon Brown does actually like football and is a Raith Rovers fan.

those two assertions seem irreconcilable

many feasts of football are served at the San Starko

san starko main stand is so weird (and annoyingly not centred on the halfway line wth)

Regional membership numbers breakdown we've seen shows (rounded):

-104,000 Greater London
-68,000 North West
-62,000 South East
-48,000 Yorks and Humber
-44,000 South West
-39,000 East
-36,000 West Midlands
-33,000 East Midlands
-26,000 'North'
-26,000 Wales
-21,000 Scotland

— Dan Bloom (@danbloom1) February 5, 2019

many xposts but great and convincing post by ogmor on framing.

This is a thread by one of the Stanstead 15, due to be sentenced tomorrow:

this eve I'm packing a bag for prison. have been advised it’s unlikely, but it’s possible. while I’m doing that, I’m thinking about the plane being prepared somewhere in the UK to deport people to Jamaica tomorrow, the same day we’re sentenced.

— klaus (@klausmuzik) February 5, 2019

(I've also updated one of the Venezuela threads with a good summary of various things going on, although if this stuff touches on Corbyn's reponses to it it will inevitably be discussed here)

“She knows what she promised us,” one ERG source said. “Even if she didn’t mean what she said, we do.”

Is Theresa a pathological liar?

seems maybe she is too stupid to be a conscious liar?

maybe right. or deluded rather than stupid.

Wouldn't call her stupid. I don't think she is. Deluded, most def.

Nah, she's got low cunning. But she's utterly shameless, to a level definitely congruent with psychopathy.

So she doesn't mind appearing clueless, idiotic or deluded, as long as it's constant with her aims of power.

She knew what she was doing with the hostile environment policy, with Windrush, and she knows what's she's doing with Brexit. She has her constituency, which read certain newspapers, and her only goal is to preserve the power of her class.

She is an underrated liar, people believe that she is stupid more readily than that she is straight up lying.

both those last seem true, she is utterly impervious to accusations of malevolence while she can so easily be held as helpless

She has her constituency, which read certain newspapers, and her only goal is to preserve the power of her class.

yes, I mean that she is so committed to this as a goal that she is unable to think through the consequences of her statements. for no other gain than to continue on in as entitled a manner as she has spent her life, she will destroy the lives of her constituents and the economy and global standing of her country.

but not through venality or ideology: despite being a Remainer, she lacks the mental openness to have done anything, at any point in the last three years, to handle Brexit in a way that would even make Leave voters happy enough to re-elect her. let alone to bridge any of the gaps in society that led to the vote, or to perform outreach to the Leave voters to gently explain, to slowly turn their minds, that they cannot have what they "voted for," not least because they don't know what that is and it couldn't exist if they did.

if she was only as smart as Bannon, let alone Stephen Miller, the whole fucking thing could have been knocked down simply by touting things that already exist as post-Brexit-vote victories for the Tories. Blue passports had been back for years - "Our goverment has brought blue passports back!" Change the name of a policy regarding immigration from some brown people countries - "This new policy sets a firm stand on our borders, without the control of the EU!" Photo op in front of some crates of brown bananas or bendy bananas, whatever the fucking made-up issue was. Hire more fucking immigrant nurses fr the NHS, send some heinous cunt backbencher onto Sky News to bleat nineteen times a day that "we have refreshed the staff of your local hospitals, bringing highly skilled graduates of lesser countries here to look after your grannies and children, freeing up Good Honest Britons from having to wipe the arses of other Britons:" by the end of the week, gammon will have smugly registered it as a victory

do this for three years, and appoint someone slightly more competent than David Davis to lead an Exploratory Committee on Methods Of Brexit, then announce at the end of the three years that you've achieved most of what Brexit was meant to do, so the committee will be reassessing its scope. they should be ready to release a report in two years. (18 months later the head of committe can resign, and a further committee formed to appoint a new head.)

The difficulty she has is probably not so much with the general public, who can always be finessed to some extent, it’s that there is a large enough constituency within her party - both in Parliament and the grass and roots - who would view anything less than total withdrawal from EU regulations and freedom of movement as a capitulation. They have been working towards this exact moment for thirty years and fundamentally don’t fear the consequences. I am not sure they are as reliably venal as the people lining up behind Trump out of convenience.

both those last seem true, she is utterly impervious to accusations of malevolence while she can so easily be held as helpless

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:28 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the lying thing is interesting in this regard - stephen bush points out that politicians try wherever possible to avoid it (very different from the process ogmor outlined up thread), and when they do, they do it badly. but theresa may does it well and comparatively frequently. my conclusion is that somehow she doesn't see it as lying, either because she believes it because she's been told it and she's not inclined to look past what is immediately in front of her (the cat deportee maybe?), or because she's so inept at triangulation that she believes that saying factually incompatible things to different groups is in some way 'politics' - ie wot ogmor outlined.

"You have to respect that she's marching on in this mess"
Me: "No you don't"
"But she could've also resigned, easy way out, but she's taking responsibility"
Me: "She should have resigned, this is not taking responsibility"
"But it's admirable she's facing this head on w/ all sides divided"
Me: "No it's not"

^^ Had variations of this so many times lately it's enraging. A lot of people whom I thought to know better have some weird sense of admiration because her batteries haven't ran out. It's enraging.

good
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/labour-changing-its-tune-irish-backstop#amp

this is one big problem with JC (see also “trigger A50 now”) - he can run his mouth sometimes

I was surprised by that although I understand the ideological beef, but I would have thought his constituents would be giving him a hard time about it too. I certainly would have, if I lived there.