"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

It is about Winning Over The Nation. How the hell can he do it?
― imago, Monday, February 4, 2019 9:18 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean he’s the only one actually thinking about how to do that but OK

Same MP that wanted Poland to veto May's deal iirc? One to watch for sure.

sorry that was glib but labour are the only force who look like they’re trying to find a position which stitched together the divisions at large in the country (CONs focused on bringing party together, SNP doing their thing, and LDs doing whatever the hell theyre doing ? do they even still exist)

Might help to think of it as not "the nation" but literally a couple of million more votes IDK

not especially germane i suppose but my poisoned brane will not let go of this fact: kawczynski is quite likely the tallest UK MP in history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_members_of_parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom#Tallest

Among pre-20th-century MPs, Sir John Cheyne (c. 1442 – 1499), known among contemporaries as the "Vigorous Knight" and MP for Wiltshire between 1471 and 1481, has been estimated to have been 6 feet 8 inches (2.03 m) tall, based on analysis of his femur (measuring 21 inches / 53 cm) found in his tomb.[25]

thousands of people have had their say on kawczynski's height

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wait how is the academic they quoted to put the record straight called dr dockter?!!!

Lol we’re all going to die

GOODS shipped to Britain from the EU are to be waved through 20 UK ports without checks in a No Deal to avoid huge jams – HMRC has declared.
In official advice released today, HM Revenue & Customs said that “for a temporary period” it would allow “most” shipments into the country before companies have even informed them they’ve arrived.

holy shit

There's a Lib Dem advert on Facebook that starts with "Brexit is a national embarrassment"

*looks to camera*

Also I’m sorry but the most incredible article has been posted on CH: https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/02/james-bundy-a-department-for-the-union-would-strengthen-our-united-kingdom.html

British culture has been evaporating bit by bit and has been replaced by a European culture which embraces secularism and republicanism. The drastic drop in those who believe in Christianity, the decline of Christian moral values and the growing calls for a future republic all demonstrate this culturally change.

Our Union, which used to be the envy of the world, would be known as simply another European country. Pride in being British would diminish much further and people would desperately seek identity of any sorts – be it Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Mancunian, Scouse and so on.

...

As Unionists, we must do all that we can do to make people feel proud to be British. As Conservatives, we must do all that we can do to ensure that our United Kingdom functions properly. Our departure of the European Union was a cry from the British people for national renewal. As Conservatives and Unionists, let’s deliver this national renewal by creating the Department for the Union.

The comments hilariously go against this, and are all English nationalists complaining about Wales and Scotland.

Nothing has ever unified the UK more than Christianity tbf

OK he's just some student, no mileage in ripping the piss out of the amazing depth of ignorance

I'm prepared to go out on a limb and suggest that Brexit is more of a national embarrassment than the Liberal Democrats.

Why do you guys hate the Lib Dems so much? (Genuine question, no one ever talks about them outside of the UK and all I know is that they're very much against Brexit.)

they formed a governing co-partnership with the tories in 2010 and allowed them to pass some of the most egregiously anti-poor legislation ever

Classical centrists whose political strategy is only dictated by defining themselves against whichever party in a constituency they think they have most chance of beating

"Tories without their kicking boots on"

Enabled a coalition government that was the first step towards empowering Cameron to ultimately call the referendum

Historical hatred of philanthropic paternalism

Party of choice for people who think free market capitalism is great but are marginally too ashamed to admit to themselves or others that they are Tories

can we stop with the shaming feels like ye could clarify a lot

Last time a lib dem leader was caught actually believing in something it was that homosexuality was a sin

In what way(s) are they leftier than the Tories?

chris williamson on ch4 news defending maduro

ken livingstone on this week defending maduro was embarassing

answering pom: when charles kennedy was leader (1999-2006) the LDs took a strongly principled stand against the iraq war in particular and the various authoritarian nu-lab terror-legislation encroachments on civil rights in general. kennedy was also pro scottish independence (if this actually counts *eyes sparkle with mischief* as a left position)

after kennedy lost the leadership they swerved sharply towards orange book neoliberalism and then coalition with the tories -- tho they have long had a rep in local government for unprincipled triangulation on local issues

Not sure Charlie was pro-Scottish independence (Kennedy that is, not Bonnie Prince).

checking back i don't think he was either, i think i read a line too quickly while i was checking the dates

I can’t believe nobody has responded to the best gossip I’m likely to have all year, argh argh argh...

need to have a think about why labour wouldn’t offer devo max in a future manifesto. what is corbyn view on décentralisation of power ? I thought he was generally for

xp I am very grateful for this hot goss altho idk what to say about it

need to have a think about why labour wouldn’t offer devo max in a future manifesto. what is corbyn view on décentralisation of power ? I thought he was generally for

― ||||||||, Monday, February 4, 2019 11:52 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

labour party is welded to the unitary uk state

see tom nairn for details

Multiple xps

Ffs. Multiple xps: I don’t think his take is wrong but it seems what would in theory be one of the most logical outcomes of that situation, I think I remember jack of kent or similar positing this a while ago but as we all know time in the Brexit dimension acts...differently.

Also, I was more interested in your beef with the member for Holborn & st Pancras.

Lib Dems: good on civil liberties, but traded off a plastic bag tax against extra benefit sanctions and bragged about that like it was a good thing.

As we change our constitutional relationship with Europe, we must also adjust our own arrangements. Just as many felt that power was too centralised and unaccountable in Brussels, so many feel that about Westminster.

The Convention will look at extending democracy locally, regionally and nationally, considering the option
of a more federalised country.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

lmao on the next page

Labour will create a role for a Minister for England

whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

instead of parliament

the fucking level of contempt the LibDems displayed to the disabled/poor and even their own posher self-interest groups was infuriating. And then some sharp commentariat had the gall to suggest they were a "moderating influence" on the tories. Lol some "nice ppl" who would still happily vote for them in 2019 must dearly love the brand. In their defence the Viz version of ConDem "business" sec, Vince's Cable, was fucking hilarious.

"labour party is welded to the unitary uk state"

this is making me think of the lame Ken Loachification of '45 Labour you see on twitter sometimes, which was very much a brit-nationalist government - not socialist. D Edgerton points out that "socialism" appeared once in the manifesto, "Britain" 14 times, "British" 12 times, and "nation" + "national" 50 times.

I'm not saying that Attlee gov wasn't a wellspring of good things, but they were also a sort of continuity of many 30's Tory policies gov.

I'm prepared to go out on a limb and suggest that Brexit is more of a national embarrassment than the Liberal Democrats.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 4 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You are braver than the marines

We are all dying but I am going to die laughing:

burning through billionaire cash to get owned on both sides of the Atlantic @TPUSA pic.twitter.com/8LYBFlMRuD

— Chris Cilizza Dance Party (@woke_hoover) February 4, 2019

I think these young bucks might have misjudged somewhat how much love there is for nihilistic landed gentry brats trashing the state and humanity in general - even amongst tory voters.

I'm not saying they don't mind that same message from older people with Guardian reccs on their books and some modicum of respectability though!

k wark's last question to Venezuelan opposition dude on Newsnight was "what would you say to Jeremy Corbyn, who has expressed strong support for Maduro?"

which is like... totally untrue i think??

even as a question it's just, how would any answer to that illuminate anything??

all I've heard is criticism of the history of US intervention in S/Central America (I think) which certainly isn't "strong support". But fucking hell, how about concentrating on ppl who actually are in government here, and expressing strong support for actual genocidal and antisemitic regimes.

followed by an "exclusive" interview with the guy from.. prefab sprout

Swoon! Paddy McAloon is on Newsnight. The licence fee is alright with me... @Prefabsprout

— Tim Farron (@timfarron) February 4, 2019

lol! the night both the music and the milk went sour.