2020 Democratic presidential primary

Harris has some really problematic baggage, and I feel like I'm gonna dissappoint hoos here which I don't like to do, but I really like Harris in quick, no bullshit mode, quite a bit

Something @KamalaHarris does not do: mince words pic.twitter.com/lsUIatNqSP

— Lily Adams (@adamslily) February 3, 2019

I remember Leftward Lurch from The Addams family reboot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA2VmXm1TbM

progressive facebook gonna drive me into harris’ arms with all the “she endorsed northam DISQUALIFIED” memes

starting to get r/thedonald vibes off it all

the ppl reposting harris's tweet from november 2017 congratulating northam on winning his election and going "oooh, this didn't age well!" are such shitheads

in raw numbers, there seem to be a lot of shitheads. even as a percentage the numbers aren't encouraging.

the next year and a half is gonna suck ass

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/kamala-harriss-choices?intcid=inline_amp

new, short profile of harris in the NYer

Ban facebook twitter and google

otm, but microsoft/bing would grow into something just as ugly as google if they had the opportunity

fuck everything in other words

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/the-truancy-trap/261937/

― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, February 2, 2019 4:11 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. the idea that getting really punitive accomplishes anything positive is straight out of the "beatings will continue until morale is improved" school of thought.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, February 2, 2019 4:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Appreciate the link. (I've not heard anything yet that suggests that Harris's policy was as punitive or as much of a cash grab as most of the examples in there. I'd be interested to know if there is evidence of this.) Still want to know what people consider an effective and appropriate response to truancy. Should it not be legally penalized at all and simply treated as a matter for counsellors and social workers? If so, do we want to get rid of the idea of 'compulsory education'?

what do you think, sund4r?

Fair question. I guess I hadn't really thought of it much as a legal issue until this whole discussion/controversy came up. (From what I gather, Canadian provinces have some penalties on the books but almost never enforce them.) I think my inclination would be to 'enforce' the compulsory nature of public education via academic failure as opposed to fines or jail time, not require it after 16, but support much greater investment in interventions and support programmes (including the 'counsellors and social workers') that would try to look into and address the reasons for absence. I think I might lean towards penalizing parents legally in cases where they were actively keeping their children from school (e.g. to work in a family business, out of simple abuse, because of culty anti-education beliefs, ...) but probably not otherwise. I don't have much experience with classroom education below the university level, though.

sund4r OTM. At least in US, free and appropriate education should be not just a privilege, but compulsory under the conditions you outline. There should, though, be more options allowed under “appropriate.”

I mean... the wealthy can buy their way out of public education, so many of the truancy concerns only apply to the plebeians.

the next year and a half is gonna suck ass

srsly it's the fucking worst already

progressive facebook gonna drive me into harris’ arms with all the “she endorsed northam DISQUALIFIED” memes

starting to get r/thedonald vibes off it all

also massively otm

just stfu and support whatever candidate you think is good, quit doing public oppo research for the assholes

What do y'all think the point of a primary is?!

my how times change. good to see you JCLC

have to respectfully disagree that that examining the records and policy positions of the several front runners is out of bounds. I don’t know who I’m voting for yet and would like to know more about these people

I'm no Harris fan at all but the Northam attack line is silly

I'd rather leave disingenuous gloating and point-scoring to the R shitbags, instead of watching D's tear each other to pieces for the next 16 months.

the Northam attack line is silly

such attacks don't need to make much sense. they simply to leave a bad odor in the air around a candidate, for the vast majority of voters who are only half-conscious of what they are imbibing.

Otm

agreed, just say "hmm this thing X makes me less likely to support candidate Y unless they address X in a satisfactory way" and then move on and fucking vote in the general regardless

Let's keep the smears funny at least

Cory Booker made up a fictional Black man named T-Bone who was a staple of his stump speeches for a while.https://t.co/duN1k4OpF0 https://t.co/FwzoPuHFlj

— Deadlift Schrempf. (@GeeDee215) February 3, 2019

i swear i don't mean to be trenchant here but wtf are you guys doing on facebook anyway?

harris has no obligation to say anything about northam other than “he should resign”, if she chooses to say anything at all. she didn’t support him when she knew about the pictures — no one knew about them then. it’s a stupid issue

what IS lame is grouping together this nonsense with serious discussion of her record and candidacy

as if they are in any way comparable

The Monopoly meme above is just as dumb part and parcel of the same thing as the Northam attack tbh. There’s substantive debate to be had about truancy laws for example but simplifying/characterizing it as “she wants to put everyone in jail” means people are just going to assume it’s not coming from a serious place.

right, not being completely serious is sort of the entire point of memes. I’m sure you’re just as displeased when anti-GOP memes take similar liberties

eh, most anti-GOP memes aren't mean enough?

i honestly am thinking about doing something drastic to avoid having to experience these primaries

Move to a sheep farm in New Zealand with no internet?

something like that. or try to summon enough self-discipline to not focus on the daily ins and outs of it somehow, which is hard living in america

It doesn’t take self-discipline as much as it does ennui and cynicism

taking a deep breath might help everyone

the candidate the most people like will be left standing at the end, and we’ll all vote for her against trump. getting hung up on the drama and inevitable conflicts along the way is something anyone can choose to avoid

again, maybe consider staying off of social media - or more specifically twitter and facebook - a bit more? My only exposure to the more toxic elements of this process at the moment are through ILX and, while that's a useful porthole and I appreciate y'all chewing the cud for me, I imagine it would get pretty exhausting over time.

i have the news feed eradicator for fb and i use it only with friend lists, including one i have titled "good for my blood pressure"

My in-laws from Arlington Virginia are in town, and when the Northam stuff broke they were all, well that scuttles the presidential run everyone was talking about. And I was like, who was seriously talking about that guy running for president?

seems like any Democrat that wins a Gov. or Sen. seat in VA gets talked up as a presidential candidate

I would have no idea what's going on with 90% of the ppl I know w/out FB, incl family

sad but true

Sanders and Schumer find common ground

it's kind of bizarre to see my work with Adil Abdela @rooseveltinst in an op-ed by Chuck Schumer AND Bernie Sanders; they are right, it's time to limit stock buybacks: https://t.co/845NkkeCr3

— Lenore Palladino (@lenorepalladino) February 4, 2019

Great idea.

this is ... surprising
https://thehill.com/campaign-polls/428396-poll-4-out-of-10-republicans-want-a-primary-opponent-for-trump

lol @ Cruz outpolling Kasich tho

the Rock may smell an opening

tbh Rock2020 could count on my support in the primary

Cruz has BEARDmentum.

tbh Rock2020 could count on my support in the primary

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, February 4, 2019 2:11 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unfortunately he would then beat whichever democrat that was against him

is John Cena available for the democrats? just cancel the election and schedule a fight instead. the vast majority of the american public would unironically support that

It’d be easier to understand than our current system

*rmde*

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/428430-bernie-sanders-to-deliver-his-own-state-of-the-union-response