2020 Democratic presidential primary

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Bloomberg said he wouldn't run as an independent. If he runs, he'll be seeking the Democratic nomination.

― grawlix (unperson), 2. februar 2019 18:10 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh dear :(

My in-laws from Arlington Virginia are in town, and when the Northam stuff broke they were all, well that scuttles the presidential run everyone was talking about. And I was like, who was seriously talking about that guy running for president?

Mrs. Northram.

Bernie must be feeling pretty good about having backed his opponent rn

The Northam campaign communicated to Sanders before the election that it didn’t want him to campaign for him. Their choice more than Sanders’s. https://t.co/s3xKnzovGR

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) February 2, 2019

Bloomberg is a fucking loser that no one likes let's not sweat that

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obama-staff-tom-perriello-virginia-236367

Bernie must be feeling pretty good about having backed his opponent rn

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), 2. februar 2019 18:52 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know, this seems like the worst oppo research ever by Northams opponents?

worst oppo research ever

The number of those yearbooks in existence by now is undoubtedly quite small, and accessing them difficult.

Not a loaded question (and not even leaning towards Harris), honestly wondering: what do people here consider the appropriate response to truancy?

Being sent to the Gathering of the Juggalos

Will subscribe

the appropriate response to truancy?

Truancy is tough. Early-mid-teens generally have no idea what is involved in the jump to adult responsibility; they simply want to do whatever they feel like doing and would be just as liable to skip out on vocational classes or a minimum wage job as they are to skip out on academic classes. And convincing them that this is short-sighted and self-defeating behavior can be a losing proposition.

Long ago, such kids were just allowed to slide off into the reject bucket until they figured it out, starved, or ended in jail. That's hardly a good solution. I think you probably have to try a series of approaches, but if you run to the end of the series without success, I have no idea.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/the-truancy-trap/261937/

yeah. the idea that getting really punitive accomplishes anything positive is straight out of the "beatings will continue until morale is improved" school of thought.

that stance on m4a by brown is such a death of political imagination. Mankind on mars is a shit goal 4 usa right now. something realistically sim to m4a is fucking mandatory. if that is the totality of his stance he’s a douche for primarying.

death of political imagination

Medicare for people who are in need of medical care quite a bit? We can do this.

Medicare for everyone else, who use medical care less than the people who currently use it? We can't do that.

in other words, otm

Harris has some really problematic baggage, and I feel like I'm gonna dissappoint hoos here which I don't like to do, but I really like Harris in quick, no bullshit mode, quite a bit

Something @KamalaHarris does not do: mince words pic.twitter.com/lsUIatNqSP

— Lily Adams (@adamslily) February 3, 2019

I remember Leftward Lurch from The Addams family reboot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA2VmXm1TbM

progressive facebook gonna drive me into harris’ arms with all the “she endorsed northam DISQUALIFIED” memes

starting to get r/thedonald vibes off it all

the ppl reposting harris's tweet from november 2017 congratulating northam on winning his election and going "oooh, this didn't age well!" are such shitheads

in raw numbers, there seem to be a lot of shitheads. even as a percentage the numbers aren't encouraging.

the next year and a half is gonna suck ass

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/kamala-harriss-choices?intcid=inline_amp

new, short profile of harris in the NYer

Ban facebook twitter and google

otm, but microsoft/bing would grow into something just as ugly as google if they had the opportunity

fuck everything in other words

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/the-truancy-trap/261937/

― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, February 2, 2019 4:11 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. the idea that getting really punitive accomplishes anything positive is straight out of the "beatings will continue until morale is improved" school of thought.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, February 2, 2019 4:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Appreciate the link. (I've not heard anything yet that suggests that Harris's policy was as punitive or as much of a cash grab as most of the examples in there. I'd be interested to know if there is evidence of this.) Still want to know what people consider an effective and appropriate response to truancy. Should it not be legally penalized at all and simply treated as a matter for counsellors and social workers? If so, do we want to get rid of the idea of 'compulsory education'?

what do you think, sund4r?

Fair question. I guess I hadn't really thought of it much as a legal issue until this whole discussion/controversy came up. (From what I gather, Canadian provinces have some penalties on the books but almost never enforce them.) I think my inclination would be to 'enforce' the compulsory nature of public education via academic failure as opposed to fines or jail time, not require it after 16, but support much greater investment in interventions and support programmes (including the 'counsellors and social workers') that would try to look into and address the reasons for absence. I think I might lean towards penalizing parents legally in cases where they were actively keeping their children from school (e.g. to work in a family business, out of simple abuse, because of culty anti-education beliefs, ...) but probably not otherwise. I don't have much experience with classroom education below the university level, though.

sund4r OTM. At least in US, free and appropriate education should be not just a privilege, but compulsory under the conditions you outline. There should, though, be more options allowed under “appropriate.”

I mean... the wealthy can buy their way out of public education, so many of the truancy concerns only apply to the plebeians.

the next year and a half is gonna suck ass

srsly it's the fucking worst already

progressive facebook gonna drive me into harris’ arms with all the “she endorsed northam DISQUALIFIED” memes

starting to get r/thedonald vibes off it all

also massively otm

just stfu and support whatever candidate you think is good, quit doing public oppo research for the assholes

What do y'all think the point of a primary is?!

my how times change. good to see you JCLC

have to respectfully disagree that that examining the records and policy positions of the several front runners is out of bounds. I don’t know who I’m voting for yet and would like to know more about these people

I'm no Harris fan at all but the Northam attack line is silly

I'd rather leave disingenuous gloating and point-scoring to the R shitbags, instead of watching D's tear each other to pieces for the next 16 months.

the Northam attack line is silly

such attacks don't need to make much sense. they simply to leave a bad odor in the air around a candidate, for the vast majority of voters who are only half-conscious of what they are imbibing.

Otm

agreed, just say "hmm this thing X makes me less likely to support candidate Y unless they address X in a satisfactory way" and then move on and fucking vote in the general regardless

Let's keep the smears funny at least

Cory Booker made up a fictional Black man named T-Bone who was a staple of his stump speeches for a while.https://t.co/duN1k4OpF0 https://t.co/FwzoPuHFlj

— Deadlift Schrempf. (@GeeDee215) February 3, 2019

i swear i don't mean to be trenchant here but wtf are you guys doing on facebook anyway?

harris has no obligation to say anything about northam other than “he should resign”, if she chooses to say anything at all. she didn’t support him when she knew about the pictures — no one knew about them then. it’s a stupid issue

what IS lame is grouping together this nonsense with serious discussion of her record and candidacy

as if they are in any way comparable

The Monopoly meme above is just as dumb part and parcel of the same thing as the Northam attack tbh. There’s substantive debate to be had about truancy laws for example but simplifying/characterizing it as “she wants to put everyone in jail” means people are just going to assume it’s not coming from a serious place.

right, not being completely serious is sort of the entire point of memes. I’m sure you’re just as displeased when anti-GOP memes take similar liberties

eh, most anti-GOP memes aren't mean enough?