"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

upper achill not even slightly differentiated: map is bullshit

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The United Kingdom of London and Northern Ireland.

tbf a lot of the people in Wales are sheep.

some of the non-Welsh in the northern region might well be Woolybacks.

London result there is as much a rejection of the concept of 'Englishness' as anything else. I've lived my entire life in England and would never self-identity as 'English' and neither would millions of Londoners who are children or grandchildren of immigrants.

Easy to miss especially on a phone screen but that's Leicester there in purple in the middle of the map right?

yes, Leicester

proud of my London fam there. I don't think of myself as English, either tbh (and im not, 2 European immigrant halves)

Interesting stuff in that map but is there one showing the other identifications in each county? Interesting that Liverpool is dark red, unlike Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham even Derby

from: https://brilliantmaps.com/national-identity-uk/

original source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/9k5y2a/national_identity_in_the_uk_from_the_2011_census/

Where I live the local builders are giving away Free Palestines according to their transit van and it's probably low 30%'s Brit and you do notice the difference in the everythings gonna be all white parts of Yorkshire. Once I was on a train going through Castleford and this stranger was taking an interest in my kindle and must have noticed some cyrillics on the screen (not that I can read them) and got quite angry and says: fucking 'ell, can you get foreign crap on them things as well?

ok so the actual data is here, and map is sorta misleading in some respects

https://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/quick-statistics-for-england-and-wales-on-national-identity--passports-held-and-country-of-birth/rft---qs214ew.xls

theres actually an "English AND British" category (and a welsh and british), though surprisingly is less than either English or British itself

Also it has Leicester having a higher English identification than British contrary to what map says (though admittedly its much closer than most cities) - same for London, Brent, Harrow, Newham, Tower Hamlets and a few others skew british rather than english but its not as pronounced as map suggest afaict

5% of Brent identifies as French!

it's pronounced Bront iirc

national bront

Brentagne.

maybe some of them in Brent have purchased DNA ancestry kits, although I don't know if they can tell the difference b'tween different euro-garbage tribes. Recently it was reported that one brand of kit was used on identical twins and gave 2 completely different profiles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nweORZBu3yA

wow.

its like power rangers but for libertarians who wanted david cameron to have fucked them instead of the pig pic.twitter.com/P8esvV1Eoa

— Thucydides Traphouse (@Typhonatemybaby) February 2, 2019

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyZwE39X0AA7JBQ.jpg

Been to university, can confirm that it's turned me into a dogmatic cultural Marxist who narrow-mindedly refuses to grant Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro the serious attention they self-evidently deserve.

George Farmer, who attended the elite fee-paying St Paul’s School for Boys in London – Chancellor George Osborne’s old school – was social secretary of the Oxford University Conservative Association (OUCA) in his first year.

In the summer of 2009, the association was embroiled in a bitter public scandal after candidates for election to its governing committee were asked at a ‘hustings’ to tell the most racist joke they knew and name their ‘least favourite minority’.

these type of people make want to embrace full on tankie-ism, never mind cultural marxism.

But there are two POC on their front page! They can't be racist!

better ask Dr Max Gammon about this paradox!

Polls are meaningless, I know, I know, but still...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/labour-slumps-in-polls-as-tories-open-biggest-lead-since-general-election

don't think polls are meaningless but:

- this still has labour within touching distance (allowing for the standard margin of polling error)
- this is just one poll and you have to take the ave position
- the polls will likely start to do something v different inside a general election period
- particularly if labour are able to make the tories fight the election on their ground (which they showed they were very good at doing last time out)

Oh good, time for another GE.

I guess I'm just amazed that any hesitant voters could look at the past couple of months of Tory governance and think 'this inspires confidence, let them go on!'

transparent media fawning over amber rudd is extremely funny given her paper thin majority.

not sure what potential portillo moment is going to be best at next election: boris, IDS or rudd

Been saying it since the BBC started running puff piece interviews with her. Lots of people trying to make Amber Rudd a thing. Is her being backed by dodgy city money and her brothers PR connections overriding her scandalous record and wafer thin majority? https://t.co/OP9bYvQWKI

— Simon Vessey (@Simon_Vessey) February 1, 2019

pomenitul - there's a very high floor on the tory vote _because brexit_. that's why their numbers are holding up despite the rabid incompetence. continuity_UKIP voters think they're the true party of brexit. if the next election is fought solely on brexit then that is very bad for labour - and they need to do everything in their power to pull the discussion back onto schools, hospitals etc.

Tories are still seen as the best deliverers of Brexit, and half of people are into that sort of thing. This explains all polls, and the media going BUT LABOUR every time someone criticises a Tory really doesn’t help.

I take a lot of comfort that from the way people in my London media bubble were talking at the last election: mostly a lot of bourgeois E8/N16 people complaining about Diane Abbott, to the point where I thought her seat was in danger, and then guess whose majority turned out to be the largest of any MP?

Yeah Brexit plus foreigner bashing always plays well with the UKIP types that came back, you always see them in CH threatening to stop voting Tory unless <something transparently fash> is done.

ymmv, but the N16-ish people I know spent the last election canvassing hard for Labour around local council estates and getting out the vote, despite disappointment in Corbyn, many of them having voted for as members for him in the Labour leadership elections

a lot of bourgeois E8/N16 people complaining about Diane Abbott

Not exactly a novelty tbh.

now that "referendum II: leave wins again but bigger" has stalled post-brady, we're back on this bullshit it seems
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/rebel-labour-mps-set-to-quit-party-and-form-centre-group

Augean stables long overdue for a hosing tbf

the observer is a cesspit: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/disillusioned-voters-would-support-new-centrist-party

conclusion:
The centre is alive and well.

basis:
When my political research team at Opinium asked voters where they placed themselves on the left/right political spectrum, 30% chose the centre. This was greater than the 27% who associated with the right and 26% who placed themselves on the left... As you’d expect, the centre was considered more “pragmatic”, “moderate” and (to an extent) “competent”. But what we found interesting is that it didn’t do noticeably worse than the left for “principled”, and actually did better than both for “understand the concerns of ordinary people”, being “trustworthy” and “optimistic”.

reality:
So why, when we see so much evidential support for the centre and a centrist offering, aren’t people voting for the Lib Dems? They recently polled at only 6% on our monthly Opinium/Observer political poll.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Bu8ADbj7NuRry/200.gif

reality:
So why, when we see so much evidential support for the centre and a centrist offering, aren’t people voting for the Lib Dems? They recently polled at only 6% on our monthly Opinium/Observer political poll.

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Coalition with the Tories and a fucked electoral system that means that a vote for them (or any other upstart) is pointless. The undemocratic electoral system in the UK is at the root of a lot of the problems of post war Britain.

Stevie, my sample is people my age/older who might as well all be FB mates with that moron Frances Barber, because that’s the noise they make (and they all voted LibDem).

It'll be the ravens next, mark my words https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/03/queen-to-be-evacuated-if-brexit-turns-ugly-reports

This thing about 'theoretical centrists' polling well is surely fairly meaningless

1) they get to be theoretical, while 'left' and 'right' are already present, which means the centre can be whatever the poll respondent wants them to be

2) The number of people who think of themselves as in the centre even though they really aren't, because they're just positioning the centre as where they happen to be

When I see stuff about the queen being potentially evacuated I just think of S5 of The Wire

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/02/our-survey-a-majority-of-party-members-back-mays-deal-if-changes-can-be-made-to-the-backstop.html

As I thought above.

At the end of last year, there was no sign at all that Party members were willing to back Theresa May’s Brexit deal, according to our survey. Seventy-one per cent of respondents opposed it and 26 per cent supported it.

But last month, the suggestion that the Northern Ireland backstop might be removed from the deal won a majority for it. Thirteen per cent of those surveyed said that they would back the deal outright, and 40 per cent that they would do so were the backstop to be removed from it. So 53 per cent lined up behind one of those two options. Forty-five per cent said that the deal would not be acceptable to them even were the backstop to be removed.

Since then, the Prime Minister has thrown her weight behind the so-called Brady amendment – whipping the Parliamentary Party to support Sir Graham’s motion to remove the backstop from the Withdrawal Agreement. In the wake of last Tuesday’s votes, she told the Commons that she would now “take this mandate forward and seek to obtain legally binding changes to the Withdrawal Agreement”.

This seems to have done her a power of good with Party members. According to this month’s survey, the proportion who oppose her deal under any circumstances is down to 36 per cent. These will be some Second Referendum backers but mostly No Deal supporters. (The best part of 90 per cent of Party members are opposed to the former, according to last month’s survey.)

In summary The Guardian report on a handful of the usual tedious plotting Labour rebels, make a big deal about the Opinium poll (the only one I've noticed giving Tories any lead at all) then give its CEO a column to advocate a new centrist party. Why I oughta stop reading...

fucking groundhog day!

I wouldn't freak out or read too much into individual polls (and there's a lot of road before the next election in any case) but I think that mini-Labour slump is a reflection of the fact that we've hurtled past the point of constructive ambiguity/fence sitting as a viable strategy.

Corbyn could just about get away with not articulating a clear Brexit approach because enough Remainers, particularly young left Remainers, could be convinced that they were following the steps agreed at conference. That appears to have fallen by the wayside, with a second referendum apparently off the table, not least because of the size of the expected Labour rebellion would make that impossible. But there's also a growing sense that the leadership have over-indulged the MPs who abstained or voted against the Cooper amendment, essentially they got away with it and they'll be emboldened next time round.

One of the lessons of Blairism is that if you try and be all things to all people you end up meaning nothing to anyone, it's hard to envisage any group, Remain or Leave, feeling that Labour's approach is sufficiently Brexity OR Remainy for their liking.

The only real way forward for Labour now, if they're going to avoid No Deal, is to work with the government to find a deal that will get through the Commons *and* that May will swallow. Both party leaders will make a lot of noise about one thing while quietly preparing to do the other. The SNP is already spinning a narrative about Labour "facilitating a Tory Brexit" - which probably won't hurt them too much in Remain metropolitan centres but could cost them several seats in Scotland that they might otherwise have won.

It would also bail the country, and the Tories, out of a complete disaster and would also allow May to claim victory when a deal finally gets through. The danger is that Labour are also aware of this, and in all the subsequent brinskmanship we end up clownishly falling off the cliff anyway.