2020 Democratic presidential primary

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nerdstom, hope your other eight conference calls go well

that warren fact-checking website his hilarious

k3vin k., Friday, 1 February 2019 18:36 (seven years ago)

My "Not involved in human trafficking" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

— Mike Ginn (@shutupmikeginn) November 21, 2013

k3vin k., Friday, 1 February 2019 18:37 (seven years ago)

Thanks. We just finished the second one. It was interminable.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:38 (seven years ago)

take all the time you need

k3vin k., Friday, 1 February 2019 18:39 (seven years ago)

we can circle back to this later

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 1 February 2019 18:40 (seven years ago)

Proverbs 26:11

(ducks and runs)

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 February 2019 18:43 (seven years ago)

It’s important to note that Harris’s views aren’t necessarily worse than some other Democratic contenders for the nomination, including Cory Booker and Kristen Gillibrand. However, those senators are already seen as suspect by progressive party activists as a result of their centrist policies on a number of issues, whereas Harris appears to have created more of a buzz on the party’s left, most of whom are unaware of her foreign policy views.

Harris claims to support a two-state solution, yet in practice she has given no indication that she would be willing to take any steps to make that possible. Indeed, she has supported policies that would make such a settlement impossible.

By rejecting any role for the United Nations or the relevance of international humanitarian law in occupied territories, and by insisting that such questions should only be resolved through voluntary agreement of the occupying power, Harris is effectively giving license to aggressors worldwide to conquer and occupy their neighbors with impunity. She appears to embrace a neoconservative worldview which supports the right of conquest and rejects international law, including the inadmissibility of countries expanding their territory by force and colonizing these conquered territories with their citizens.

If Harris’s position on Israel and Palestine is indeed reflective of her overall world view, she is therefore essentially endorsing the right of conquest over the right of self-determination. It raises the questions as to whether, had she been in office in the 1950s, she would have defended the right of the French to colonize Algeria and the British to colonize Kenya and Rhodesia, and opposed any efforts by the United Nations in decolonization.

Given the broader implications of Harris’s hardline positions regarding Israel and Palestine, they should not go unchallenged. Given how she has only begun to address foreign policy issues since coming to the U.S. Senate two years ago, perhaps her views are somewhat malleable. Progressive activists are pushing the Democratic Party left on a range of issues this year, and foreign policy should be no exception.

https://fpif.org/more-aipac-than-j-street-kamala-harris-runs-to-the-right-on-foreign-policy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:48 (seven years ago)

do you guys want to have the civil war before or after trump is reelected

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Friday, 1 February 2019 18:50 (seven years ago)

Idk that’s a lot of extrapolating from a v small sample imo.

Tbh tho I’ve given up hope of the U.S. ever getting it right w/Israel

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:52 (seven years ago)

Xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:52 (seven years ago)

in the 1950s, she would have defended the right of the French to colonize Algeria and the British to colonize Kenya and Rhodesia, and opposed any efforts by the United Nations in decolonization.

Presumably, Harris's position on Israel is more solidly grounded in practical domestic politics than in any firm philosophical commitment to the right of conquest over the right of self-determination. This doesn't make her position any more palatable in regard to the Palestinian-Israel conflict, but it makes more explanatory sense than imputing to her an appetite for, say, letting Putin annex more of Ukraine, or Pakistan trying to absorb Kashmir. Presidents adopt foreign policy entirely on perceived interests, rather than some kind of philosophical consistency.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 February 2019 18:59 (seven years ago)

you don't have to be openly guided by a principle to be in alignment with it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:22 (seven years ago)

pretty much

lmao pic.twitter.com/JX6gtBbLzG

— 🚩🇯🇴 would you like to buy a socialist newspaper (@mike_hugs) February 1, 2019

frogbs, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:23 (seven years ago)

Harris is gonna be fine, her announcement campaign has polled well

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:27 (seven years ago)

did it show up?

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:29 (seven years ago)

Because Booker has a fairly good rep on criminal justice issues can set you watch to it suddenly becoming way less important to those people than say charter schools.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:30 (seven years ago)

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/428088-cory-booker-launches-2020-presidential-campaign-calling-for-marijuana

A+ URL work

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:33 (seven years ago)

Cory Budz

Trϵϵship, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:36 (seven years ago)

Booker's not a serious contender imo

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:38 (seven years ago)

Agreed

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:41 (seven years ago)

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook? Iirc as mayor of Newark he was presented as a technocratic reformist but if DC is any exemplar actual technocratic reformists don’t end up with long careers

Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:41 (seven years ago)

Corey Booker/Cory Gunz 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:42 (seven years ago)

Presumably, Harris's position on Israel is more solidly grounded in practical domestic politics than in any firm philosophical commitment to the right of conquest over the right of self-determination.

I would go further than this and say that this is also the case for US politicians with anti-Zionist politics. I don't think there's such a thing as a politician with a philosophical commitment to the right of conquest, the right of self-determination, the right of self-defense, or any of the other so-called rights politicians bring up when defending the foreign policy commitments their domestic politics lead them to have.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:43 (seven years ago)

chris christie spoke highly of booker today

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:46 (seven years ago)

Let’s not relitigate Christie’s wet farts

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 19:47 (seven years ago)

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook?

He may have other problems, but even before he was elected mayor he was almost painfully presenting himself as corruption-free.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:51 (seven years ago)

http://nj1015.com/rand-pauls-wife-blames-booker-for-having-to-sleep-with-loaded-gun/

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 1 February 2019 19:51 (seven years ago)

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook?

as p4reene once pointed out, Booker is "an actual scam artist"

https://newrepublic.com/article/114197/cory-bookers-role-startup-waywire-shady-unsurprisingly

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:21 (seven years ago)

The New York Times’ front-page report on Newark Mayor Cory Booker’s involvement in a fledgling web-video start-up called Waywire contains some troubling and surprising revelations. The article details that the majority of Booker’s wealth—and up to $5 million—involves shares in the company, for which he tapped both celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and campaign donors for seed money. Unusually for someone who does not work on it day-to-day, Booker received the largest stake of its three co-founders. In both federal and municipal forms, Booker was late to formally disclose his ownership. Waywire employs a couple associates of Booker’s, and, as the Times drolly notes, it “has put Andrew Zucker, 14, the son of Jeff Zucker, president of CNN, on its advisory board and given him stock options.” Booker’s buckraking was brazen enough that it is likely he never could have gotten away with it had he been a senator—as he soon shall be, assuming he wins next Tuesday’s Democratic primary, which he is nearly certain to do, and a subsequent special election in October.

I'm not really seeing the crime here

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:35 (seven years ago)

I said a crook, not a criminal

Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:39 (seven years ago)

he's a Betsy DeVosian too

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:43 (seven years ago)

Booker's not a serious contender imo

― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, February 1, 2019 2:38 PM (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 1, 2019 2:41 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the primaries will be chaotic, and he may be the last person standing, but i haven't seen anyone, literally anyone, except chris christie say he's their favorite candidate.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:44 (seven years ago)

he might be running for vp

iatee, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:47 (seven years ago)

Oh lord I hadn't considered that

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:50 (seven years ago)

very Dole-Quayle of him

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 February 2019 20:52 (seven years ago)

VP was my thought too. he seems much more like VP material tbh lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:53 (seven years ago)

So far he’s the candidate I can most immediately see lending themselves to comedic impersonation.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 1 February 2019 21:05 (seven years ago)

he might be running for vp

Buttigeig/Booker 2020

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 February 2019 21:09 (seven years ago)

ya can't have two (could be) gays on the ticket

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 February 2019 21:19 (seven years ago)

That’s in the constitution iirc

Norm’s Superego (silby), Friday, 1 February 2019 21:26 (seven years ago)

would be a pretty lol way to finally answer the question "what do you call the 'First Lady' if it's a dude?"

frogbs, Friday, 1 February 2019 21:28 (seven years ago)

He’s gotta weigh what benefits him more in the race for the presidency, sticking w Rosario Dawson or coming out?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 1 February 2019 21:36 (seven years ago)

I may not be the most discerning voter on here, but I kind of like the way the Democrat field is shaping up.

o. nate, Saturday, 2 February 2019 02:13 (seven years ago)

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/428060-brown-medicare-for-all-not-practical?__twitter_impression=true

That core Democratic constituency of, uh, aging Rust Belt white people.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 2 February 2019 02:51 (seven years ago)

Fav/unfav of Howard Schultz

4% fav to 50% unfav with Dems (!), 4/43 with Republicans (!!), and...........4/31 with independents (!!!)

https://t.co/EDnEXl91vN pic.twitter.com/47OsMZ1lVV

— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) February 2, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 2 February 2019 04:13 (seven years ago)

If it was job to spin these numbers for him I’d say it means he’s the “bad boy of politics” and people grow to love their villains eventually.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 2 February 2019 04:21 (seven years ago)

*my job

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 2 February 2019 04:23 (seven years ago)

Harris already on the pointy end of the meme primary

https://hi.spooky.camp/system/media_attachments/files/000/026/089/original/962c8173c753d092.jpeg

Norm’s Superego (silby), Saturday, 2 February 2019 05:27 (seven years ago)

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 2 February 2019 05:28 (seven years ago)


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