2020 Democratic presidential primary

no one on ilx made the claim that she was claiming tribal citizenship, you clown

you are the dumbest motherfucker on this board fuck off

Extremely not true but sure.

A few 100% made that claim. It’s okay to just agree that that’s true. Don’t have to be a piece of shit because you’re mad about something else, Make things about what they’re actually about.

https://facts.elizabethwarren.com/

She should never have gotten baited into addressing this.

Xpost there was like an entirely day of arguing I was barely involved in it with people here arguing that very point. JFC.

If she apologized, that’s good though. This is the kind of experience someone could learn from—it wasn’t malicious

yeah probably

thanks to that "facts" page I learned about a whole new set of smears I had no idea ever existed lol

“Don’t engage in terms defined by the enemy” is hopefully something she learned.

gonna bet she did not learn it

Xpost Yeah me too I think I only recognized one

Simon otm. That facts page is.... dumb

I don't even know that it's dumb, I just think it's hilarious

tbh the DNA thing has been her only significant misstep that I've seen which is pretty impressive

I’m not against fact checking but it’s same exact fallacy as the DNA test. Candidate can’t focus too much on reacting to narratives in lieu of creating their own.

Lots of people remember Dukakis never responding to/“dignifying” the Willie Horton ad but that’s not true. He had an “answer ad” where he looked at a television with dismay.

Very canny. Econ policy to attract Sanders supporters, unforced self-owning online to attract Clinton supporters

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) February 1, 2019

NO elizabeth warren does NOT have a racist artifact in her kitchen

I would like to get ahead of this and state for the record that I also do not have a racist artifact in my kitchen. please do not move the goalposts by asking about any other part of the house

nerdstom, hope your other eight conference calls go well

that warren fact-checking website his hilarious

My "Not involved in human trafficking" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

— Mike Ginn (@shutupmikeginn) November 21, 2013

Thanks. We just finished the second one. It was interminable.

take all the time you need

we can circle back to this later

Proverbs 26:11

(ducks and runs)

It’s important to note that Harris’s views aren’t necessarily worse than some other Democratic contenders for the nomination, including Cory Booker and Kristen Gillibrand. However, those senators are already seen as suspect by progressive party activists as a result of their centrist policies on a number of issues, whereas Harris appears to have created more of a buzz on the party’s left, most of whom are unaware of her foreign policy views.

Harris claims to support a two-state solution, yet in practice she has given no indication that she would be willing to take any steps to make that possible. Indeed, she has supported policies that would make such a settlement impossible.

By rejecting any role for the United Nations or the relevance of international humanitarian law in occupied territories, and by insisting that such questions should only be resolved through voluntary agreement of the occupying power, Harris is effectively giving license to aggressors worldwide to conquer and occupy their neighbors with impunity. She appears to embrace a neoconservative worldview which supports the right of conquest and rejects international law, including the inadmissibility of countries expanding their territory by force and colonizing these conquered territories with their citizens.

If Harris’s position on Israel and Palestine is indeed reflective of her overall world view, she is therefore essentially endorsing the right of conquest over the right of self-determination. It raises the questions as to whether, had she been in office in the 1950s, she would have defended the right of the French to colonize Algeria and the British to colonize Kenya and Rhodesia, and opposed any efforts by the United Nations in decolonization.

Given the broader implications of Harris’s hardline positions regarding Israel and Palestine, they should not go unchallenged. Given how she has only begun to address foreign policy issues since coming to the U.S. Senate two years ago, perhaps her views are somewhat malleable. Progressive activists are pushing the Democratic Party left on a range of issues this year, and foreign policy should be no exception.

https://fpif.org/more-aipac-than-j-street-kamala-harris-runs-to-the-right-on-foreign-policy

do you guys want to have the civil war before or after trump is reelected

Idk that’s a lot of extrapolating from a v small sample imo.

Tbh tho I’ve given up hope of the U.S. ever getting it right w/Israel

Xp

in the 1950s, she would have defended the right of the French to colonize Algeria and the British to colonize Kenya and Rhodesia, and opposed any efforts by the United Nations in decolonization.

Presumably, Harris's position on Israel is more solidly grounded in practical domestic politics than in any firm philosophical commitment to the right of conquest over the right of self-determination. This doesn't make her position any more palatable in regard to the Palestinian-Israel conflict, but it makes more explanatory sense than imputing to her an appetite for, say, letting Putin annex more of Ukraine, or Pakistan trying to absorb Kashmir. Presidents adopt foreign policy entirely on perceived interests, rather than some kind of philosophical consistency.

you don't have to be openly guided by a principle to be in alignment with it

pretty much

lmao pic.twitter.com/JX6gtBbLzG

— 🚩🇯🇴 would you like to buy a socialist newspaper (@mike_hugs) February 1, 2019

Harris is gonna be fine, her announcement campaign has polled well

also
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/428088-cory-booker-launches-2020-presidential-campaign-calling-for-marijuana

did it show up?

Because Booker has a fairly good rep on criminal justice issues can set you watch to it suddenly becoming way less important to those people than say charter schools.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/428088-cory-booker-launches-2020-presidential-campaign-calling-for-marijuana

A+ URL work

Cory Budz

Booker's not a serious contender imo

Agreed

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook? Iirc as mayor of Newark he was presented as a technocratic reformist but if DC is any exemplar actual technocratic reformists don’t end up with long careers

Corey Booker/Cory Gunz 2020

Presumably, Harris's position on Israel is more solidly grounded in practical domestic politics than in any firm philosophical commitment to the right of conquest over the right of self-determination.

I would go further than this and say that this is also the case for US politicians with anti-Zionist politics. I don't think there's such a thing as a politician with a philosophical commitment to the right of conquest, the right of self-determination, the right of self-defense, or any of the other so-called rights politicians bring up when defending the foreign policy commitments their domestic politics lead them to have.

chris christie spoke highly of booker today

Let’s not relitigate Christie’s wet farts

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook?

He may have other problems, but even before he was elected mayor he was almost painfully presenting himself as corruption-free.

http://nj1015.com/rand-pauls-wife-blames-booker-for-having-to-sleep-with-loaded-gun/

What are the chances Cory Booker isn’t a crook?

as p4reene once pointed out, Booker is "an actual scam artist"

https://newrepublic.com/article/114197/cory-bookers-role-startup-waywire-shady-unsurprisingly

The New York Times’ front-page report on Newark Mayor Cory Booker’s involvement in a fledgling web-video start-up called Waywire contains some troubling and surprising revelations. The article details that the majority of Booker’s wealth—and up to $5 million—involves shares in the company, for which he tapped both celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and campaign donors for seed money. Unusually for someone who does not work on it day-to-day, Booker received the largest stake of its three co-founders. In both federal and municipal forms, Booker was late to formally disclose his ownership. Waywire employs a couple associates of Booker’s, and, as the Times drolly notes, it “has put Andrew Zucker, 14, the son of Jeff Zucker, president of CNN, on its advisory board and given him stock options.” Booker’s buckraking was brazen enough that it is likely he never could have gotten away with it had he been a senator—as he soon shall be, assuming he wins next Tuesday’s Democratic primary, which he is nearly certain to do, and a subsequent special election in October.

I'm not really seeing the crime here

I said a crook, not a criminal