2020 Democratic presidential primary

"He was someone who was pro-voucher, he was pro-charter school, he was somebody who was tough on crime in the city of Newark. If he stays in that lane, and is the articulate, inspirational guy that he is, then I think he’s got a legitimate chance to" beat Trump - @GovChristie

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) February 1, 2019

really wish Christie's bloated corpse had turned up floating in the east river by now tbh

My issue was the constant repeating the misinformation that she was claiming tribal membership (a Trump lie) when it was extremely easy to verify that she made a point of explicitly NOT doing that. Really baffling because other people (not just me) took pains to explain that distinction multiple times. It would be one thing if someone argued “that distinction doesn’t matter” (and there is a case for that) no one was bothering to do that.

Fair to say that she should have consulted w tribal leaders before responding simply given that Trump’s attacks on her were attacks on them as well.

*repeating of misinformation

the Passaic River would be better for Christie, or the Hackensack.

Pine Barrens also acceptable

My issue was the constant repeating the misinformation that she was claiming tribal membership (a Trump lie) when it was extremely easy to verify that she made a point of explicitly NOT doing that. Really baffling because other people (not just me) took pains to explain that distinction multiple times. It would be one thing if someone argued “that distinction doesn’t matter” (and there is a case for that) no one was bothering to do that.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 1, 2019 9:08 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, no one was saying that.

she literally put herself as Native American on forms and repeatedly said that she was of Cherokee ancestry.

omg are we really still talking about this Trump talking point

Jim you repeatedly said she was claiming ancestry. Aimless took pains to explain it you. Do I need to post the clip again and markdown the timecode again for you with her own words which should have promptly led to you to deciding against dying on this hill?

"As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father's family didn't like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope"

you and aimless show your ass repeatedly regarding this topic

Actual tribal membership is a different thing brah. Okay we’re doing this again, I have 11 conference calls I today I suppose I can cancel 3 of them.

4:21 in..
https://youtu.be/RHzbdZuVyAM

plz don't do this again I beg you

I already asked my secretary to cancel the calls

yeah, this thread is depressing enough already

Okay, standing down.

no one on ilx made the claim that she was claiming tribal citizenship, you clown

anyone wants to sling some shit at an "establishment"/middle-of-the-road Dem candidate here's maybe a good opening

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/428060-brown-medicare-for-all-not-practical

appropriating marginalized identities fucking sucks, we wouldn't even be thinking about elizabeth warren in 2019 if she had claimed african-american heritage. colonialism sucks

yeah, this thread is depressing enough already

― Dan S, Friday, February 1, 2019 10:41 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

moreover there are two of these depressing threads for some reason

no one on ilx made the claim that she was claiming tribal citizenship, you clown

you are the dumbest motherfucker on this board fuck off

Extremely not true but sure.

A few 100% made that claim. It’s okay to just agree that that’s true. Don’t have to be a piece of shit because you’re mad about something else, Make things about what they’re actually about.

https://facts.elizabethwarren.com/

She should never have gotten baited into addressing this.

Xpost there was like an entirely day of arguing I was barely involved in it with people here arguing that very point. JFC.

If she apologized, that’s good though. This is the kind of experience someone could learn from—it wasn’t malicious

yeah probably

thanks to that "facts" page I learned about a whole new set of smears I had no idea ever existed lol

“Don’t engage in terms defined by the enemy” is hopefully something she learned.

gonna bet she did not learn it

Xpost Yeah me too I think I only recognized one

Simon otm. That facts page is.... dumb

I don't even know that it's dumb, I just think it's hilarious

tbh the DNA thing has been her only significant misstep that I've seen which is pretty impressive

I’m not against fact checking but it’s same exact fallacy as the DNA test. Candidate can’t focus too much on reacting to narratives in lieu of creating their own.

Lots of people remember Dukakis never responding to/“dignifying” the Willie Horton ad but that’s not true. He had an “answer ad” where he looked at a television with dismay.

Very canny. Econ policy to attract Sanders supporters, unforced self-owning online to attract Clinton supporters

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) February 1, 2019

NO elizabeth warren does NOT have a racist artifact in her kitchen

I would like to get ahead of this and state for the record that I also do not have a racist artifact in my kitchen. please do not move the goalposts by asking about any other part of the house

nerdstom, hope your other eight conference calls go well

that warren fact-checking website his hilarious

My "Not involved in human trafficking" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

— Mike Ginn (@shutupmikeginn) November 21, 2013

Thanks. We just finished the second one. It was interminable.

take all the time you need

we can circle back to this later

Proverbs 26:11

(ducks and runs)

It’s important to note that Harris’s views aren’t necessarily worse than some other Democratic contenders for the nomination, including Cory Booker and Kristen Gillibrand. However, those senators are already seen as suspect by progressive party activists as a result of their centrist policies on a number of issues, whereas Harris appears to have created more of a buzz on the party’s left, most of whom are unaware of her foreign policy views.

Harris claims to support a two-state solution, yet in practice she has given no indication that she would be willing to take any steps to make that possible. Indeed, she has supported policies that would make such a settlement impossible.

By rejecting any role for the United Nations or the relevance of international humanitarian law in occupied territories, and by insisting that such questions should only be resolved through voluntary agreement of the occupying power, Harris is effectively giving license to aggressors worldwide to conquer and occupy their neighbors with impunity. She appears to embrace a neoconservative worldview which supports the right of conquest and rejects international law, including the inadmissibility of countries expanding their territory by force and colonizing these conquered territories with their citizens.

If Harris’s position on Israel and Palestine is indeed reflective of her overall world view, she is therefore essentially endorsing the right of conquest over the right of self-determination. It raises the questions as to whether, had she been in office in the 1950s, she would have defended the right of the French to colonize Algeria and the British to colonize Kenya and Rhodesia, and opposed any efforts by the United Nations in decolonization.

Given the broader implications of Harris’s hardline positions regarding Israel and Palestine, they should not go unchallenged. Given how she has only begun to address foreign policy issues since coming to the U.S. Senate two years ago, perhaps her views are somewhat malleable. Progressive activists are pushing the Democratic Party left on a range of issues this year, and foreign policy should be no exception.

https://fpif.org/more-aipac-than-j-street-kamala-harris-runs-to-the-right-on-foreign-policy

do you guys want to have the civil war before or after trump is reelected

Idk that’s a lot of extrapolating from a v small sample imo.

Tbh tho I’ve given up hope of the U.S. ever getting it right w/Israel

Xp