2020 Democratic presidential primary

also not seeing any credible reporting about Harris making some dramatic reversal (I did not watch the CNN Town Hall, haven't looked up exactly what she said there)

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(and those video clips were very important, just for the record)

ah here it is

By stating she would eliminate private insurers as a necessary part of implementing "Medicare-for-all," California Sen. Kamala Harris during a CNN town hall Monday night sent a shockwave through the national health care debate. Harris' comments underscored the extent to which a move to single payer would radically overhaul the current system and, in frankly addressing one of the transition's most politically difficult steps, stepped directly into her critics' crosshairs...As the furor grew, a Harris adviser on Tuesday signaled that the candidate would also be open to the more moderate health reform plans, which would preserve the industry, being floated by other congressional Democrats. It represents a compromise position that risks angering "Medicare-for-all" proponents, who view eliminating private health insurance as key to enacting their comprehensive reform.

immediately followed by:

This has been an embarrassing episode for Harris, even if it represents a small nod to fiscal and political reality. For hardcore progressives, who will play an outsized role in Democrats' nominating process, single-payer healthcare is an ideological article of faith and a policy holy grail.

storm in a teacup imo

Pretending to me a real person possibly, Aldo the account didn’t exist until a month ago.

Maybe the same thing will happen to that weird account Amir who pretends to be a doctor in Los Angeles

reported by... Fox News

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just for the record, we are discussing avowed ILX leftists resorting to Fox News and a fake twitter account to damage a Dem candidate for President.

how heavy is that water you guys are carrying

just for the record, a dem candidate for president talked in public about her sincerely-held views on incarceration, views which are incompatible with my preferences for the future political development of the united states of america

water's not giving me any problems tbh

"Medicare-for-all" proponents, who view eliminating private health insurance as key to enacting their comprehensive reform.

is this even true? I don't quite understand how Medicare-for-all requires the elimination of private insurance. Is there some sort of specific plan that mandates this as a way of funding M4A or something?

regardless of fox or fake twitter accounts, those are real videos of the real kamala harris talking about her real political views and they fucking suck xp

I would need to see some evidence of the "fake account" angle but yeah I was glad to see the clip

Shakey has been promoted to Cap'n Save-A-Cop

Shakey you’re talking to people who already made clear a million times that they don’t care whether they uncritically amplify a right wing media narrative or not and get mad if you don’t let them put blinders on to the agenda of a source.

I feel like this would all be solved if Simon and Morbz and whoever else could just look deep into the recesses of each candidates' souls to know their TRUE FEEWINGS

who gives a fuck about the 'agenda of a source' if what they're sharing is a real, true and accurate account of the alarmingly reactionary views of someone who wants to stand as the democrat candidate for president?

democrat candidate

lol I like u and all but... c'mon

are you gonna start calling them the Democrat Party now too

what is the "right wing media narrative" inherent in that clip? I haven't heard of any right wingers or even many liberals take issue with the content

Is it weird that this account has only existed since November 2018 & it's mostly against black politicians? pic.twitter.com/4oSURSMqww

— Kelly Rhone (@kellyrhonesdead) January 29, 2019

i'm sorry, the alarmingly reactionary views and actions of &c &c

shakey sorry 4 typo, i hope we can still be friends

nerdstrom, can u pls stop uncritically amplifying objections to that twitter account and explain what you like about the content of those harris videos

nerdstrom, can u pls delete your account and stop constantly derailing this thread with childish insinuations

shakey, that first block quote is from CNN, and the second is from some guy on townhall.com -- where does fox enter into this again?

also could you explain your emphasis on the "fiscal reality" of medicare for all? because speaking of water carrying...

I hardly ever give a shit about TRUE FEEWINGS. Actions rule all in governance.

they don’t care whether they uncritically amplify a right wing media narrative or not

yeah, this is why I don't buy "Russian bots stole the election." People can believe or disbelieve what they want, on the merits.

Harris is a slick pig. Great smile, though.

where are those copies of the ILXor Leftist Vows, anyway?

nerdstrom, can u pls delete your account and stop constantly derailing this thread with childish insinuations

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:01 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

shakey, that first block quote is from CNN, and the second is from some guy on townhall.com -- where does fox enter into this again?

just from search results. (I am not gonna quote Fox for obvious reasons)

Well I guess this settles it.

I just got off of a call with the individual, who wanted to stay anonymous.

In other words, this was not a fake account. pic.twitter.com/3dks0B0lh5

— Walker Bragman (@WalkerBragman) January 31, 2019

Nerdstrom ffs go participate in some other forum where they give one solitary shit about this alternate universe drama that you're obsessed with

nerdstrom tell us what’s good about Harris’s views in those videos or stfu

actually feel free to just stfu

shakey, that first block quote is from CNN, and the second is from some guy on townhall.com -- where does fox enter into this again?

just from search results. (I am not gonna quote Fox for obvious reasons)

― Οὖτις, Thursday, January 31, 2019 12:19 PM (three minutes ago)

so you would agree that invoking fox news in this story in any capacity was a lame smear

frankly i'm getting tired of posters in here who don’t care whether they uncritically amplify a nerdstrom narrative or not and get mad if you don’t let them put blinders on to the agenda of a nerdstorm

now can tell me why "fiscal realities" of medicare for all are a helpful talking point in 2019?

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is this even true? I don't quite understand how Medicare-for-all requires the elimination of private insurance. Is there some sort of specific plan that mandates this as a way of funding M4A or something?

I would think that allowing private insurers to compete with a public system would undermine the egalitarian principle of the system. What would they offer to either patients or health care providers to attract business?

so you would agree that invoking fox news in this story in any capacity was a lame smear

just sayin when I searched for that quote I got one townhall hit and a bunch of foxnews ones, that's all

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just sayin! ok then

"fiscal realities" are imaginary, the USA has a sovereign currency and the cheapest debt in the universe and can do whatever it wants

What would they offer to either patients or health care providers to attract business?

I have on idea - more expensive, unnecessary services?

I haven’t seen the videos yet, they were on my queue though

lol stfu

I have on idea - more expensive, unnecessary services?

These things would presumably not be covered by the public system. I don't think anyone is advocating banning private insurance from covering things that a public system would not?

I do think private insurers should be prohibited from competing with a universal public payer when it comes to services it covers.

are they advocating banning private insurance from covering things that the public system would? I have no idea tbh I have not been following this debate closely (healthcare honestly not a huge issue for me personally)

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everything is so exhausting all the time

life in the fast lane

are they advocating banning private insurance from covering things that the public system would?

This is what "single payer" means aiui (and afaik is the case in Canada).

right, but Medicare-for-all is not really single-payer, since Medicare basically is a way of publicly financing the payment to private insurers afaict?

like, if you are on Medicare that can pay for services from Kaiser or Cigna or Blue Shield or whoever

so I assume cost controls would come through Medicare reimbursement rates being set by the gov't

idk this is all just guesses on my part, this stuff is so fucking convoluted and not my area of expertise

Ha, not mine either since I was assuming M4A meant single payer.