"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

definitely, there was a sweet spot which usually involved being as generic to the fashions of the time as possible

always worth remembering that the Greek crisis was in recent memory during the referendum - the answers on sovereignty surely somewhat refracted through the EU's cartoonish cruelty during that episode

"sovereignty" ties in with nationalism to me, big words that stir a certain kind of person who can't really convincingly explain why

I don’t feel like accepting that as a reason given that tabloids reporting that were doing so to further their own anti-EU agenda. There’s also the fact that the Irish bank bailout which meant the UK giving a loan of £7bn to guarantee bank deposits has been waved at us by every fucking racist in the country, what message they’re trying to send with this can decide for yourself. Finally, the notion that people here can clutch their pearls at the evil EU inflicting austerity when a large part of the narrative about Greece has been “lol those lazy Europeans” rather than of sympathy, well...

It’s the same as the argument that “the EU made Ireland vote twice!!!1” like I have explained to countless people irl that while there were two referendums, the second was held after the government secured concessions & assurances, and that the first was subject to a LOT of scaremongering by certain parties. The response I get is never someone acknowledging that they were wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl2oxNHV3mk

gaza slim aka vanessa bling!

Tbf I've got thoughts about how this whole thing is more than stupidity and sneering at people's shaky grasp of shaker narratives. If Blair was serious about the merits of the political class he could maybe explain how politicians have allowed this culture of the blind fighting with the blind to flourish. But he's not serious, he's a technocrat who thinks people are a mere inconvenience. Brexit is, if not inevitable, then certainly an obviously likely outcome of a rotten system in a failing state.

a large part of the narrative about Greece has been “lol those lazy Europeans”

yes but i didn't buy this narrative and neither did a fuck-ton of other people

A fuck ton of people believe a lot of things and want a lot of things. It doesn't seem to lead to positive outcomes.

Unless you voted leave and cited that a reason, we’re not talking about you.

Hahaha I work for Cl4rks and this is going to be an unmitigated disaster

a large part of the narrative about Greece has been “lol those lazy Europeans”

endured this from a reluctant Remainer relative recently, also thinks "EU corruption" is the main reason for Brexit

governments vmic xp

boxed joy indeed

At least someone has a plan 🥄 https://t.co/NbJWs3TuDz

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@jewdas) January 31, 2019

the job's truly fucked now.

" Mr Geller also re-told the story about how he met Theresa May in 2014 and predicted she would become prime minister.

He said: “I told her to touch Winston Churchill’s spoon. I told her she was going to be prime minister and she laughed."

lucky he didn't get me-tooed for that filth.

full parliamentary inquiry on whether theresa may colluded with uri geller to steal the 2017 election or gtfo

think nv should swallow his distaste for technocrats who think ppl are a mere convenience because they are actually better than any uk govt likely to be formed any decade soon tbh

He said: “I told her to touch Winston Churchill’s spoon

Ortonesque.

My argument, darragh, is not only are they not better but they appreciably contribute to the worseness. But I'll happily agree this point is moot.

Dominic Raab admits he hasn't read the Good Friday Agreement in full, saying it's not like you think, "Do you know what, this is a cracking read." pic.twitter.com/6gtL242k6o

— Property Spotter (@PropertySpot) January 30, 2019

It’s your job, or at least it’s your job to get an intern to read it summarise it and lie about having read it.

the main thing id that nv otm or I'm otm

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/02/21/brexit-fool-britannia/

Book dedication I just came about, appropriate to this thread:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyTYJ5fUwAEwzj8.jpg

came ACROSS, o dear god

What's the book, James?

Last Brexit to Dublin

E Arnf Robinson, The Signpost: old WW2-era novel

to all the friends ive lost beef eire

from back when many of the Irish were cheering on this Hitler fellow :p

Hitler v Churchill tbf tough shout

I despise Churchill just as much as Left Twitter does, but I don't believe him reading and knowing about the holocaust through intercepted SS wires means he could have done much to prevent it - even if there was a will to.

Absolutely and to be fair to the lad he never had the opportunity to instigate the concentration camps in India that he would so dearly have loved to

"Frankly, I do not see my job as keeping our rulers on their toes; I’d rather see them hanging by their feet."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/04/politicalcolumnists.comment

oops, wrong thread. but not really.

I despise Churchill just as much as Left Twitter does, but I don't believe him reading and knowing about the holocaust through intercepted SS wires means he could have done much to prevent it - even if there was a will to.

Obligatory link to the @ireland account thread on Churchill:

Ok.

Im going to explain in detail why Churchill is a villain. For the 31% of you who voted as a positive just read this and tell me afterwards. https://t.co/EMeIzDK3JN

— Ireland / Francis (@ireland) January 20, 2018

oh I know he was a glaring antisemite, I'm responding to ppl making other comments that are just plain wrong.

later in the war if Bomber Command had decided to target some infrastructure rather than civilians then they might have done a solid for the Hungarian Jews.

I don't always agree with A.J.P.Taylor but I enjoy and agree with his argument that the entire WWII bombing strategy was essentially pointless murder

yep it was a war-crime, and the British Empire started the bombing civilians strategy months before the Nazis hit London and then carried on with it in "revenge".

What I Iove about this is that every journalist who worked on local newspapers has always met someone who was petitioning the Queen. Mine was a guy in Sidcup who thought the government had put a transmitter in his head https://t.co/n7dT8eBurz

— robert shrimsley (@robertshrimsley) January 31, 2019

lool

if a petition to the Queen doesn't contain : with all due respect, kill yourself. then why bother?

A rather significant amount, don't you think?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

Just saw that, seems steep.

Though I'm not sure how easily "small firms" can just relocate abroad.

Might be a case of Americans supposedly fleeing Trumpland for frostier pastures. Still, the intent is telling.

Project Fear guys, nothing to worry about

it'll be reet, as long as corrupt financial services, preserves, + weapons of death industry stays put the Singapore Model is still do-able.

"Frankly, I do not see my job as keeping our rulers on their toes; I’d rather see them hanging by their feet."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/04/politicalcolumnists.comment

― Alba, Friday, 1 February 2019 10:05 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You had me thinking it was Jeremy Hardy that said that. It's the sort of thing he might say...

oh wait...