Obama pledged to close Guantánamo Bay.
lol try harder
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
that was literally the first executive order he signed after being sworn in, and he was blocked by Congress.
which continued to fight him over it for his entire administration
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
read my lips
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
he didn't add "unless I am blocked by Congress."
also promised to walk a picket line with a union HAHAHAHAHA
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
also said he was "against stupid wars" and continued to wage about seven of them
also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:21 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I’d personally appreciate a little more insight into why she feels those positions were wrong before and why she’s changed her mind aside from the changing political winds
― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:06 AM (twenty minutes ago)
otm
― One Thing All ILXors Have In Common, Brace Yourself (WmC), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
Okay Ted Cruz
“also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
yeah, and they fought him over it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
hey like you never agree with the mass murderers in the CIA, right NP?
(ie dont be a pussy)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
fuck all presidents really
wake me when it's over
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
Not reading any of the Canada or UK stuff.
Obama was critical of Iraq war but I remember him repeatedly promising to go after terrorists in Afghanistan
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
also promised to walk a picket line with a union
this is not a policy position fyi
if you can point me to Obama's anti-union legislation though let me know
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
Obama also drew down all our troops from Iraq (I know, Morbz thinks this war is still going on)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
why am I bothering
I think we can be forgiven for a lack of clarity on which wars are or are not going on
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
WWII is still going on too iirc, after all we still have troops in Germany.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
lol
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
when will Obama finally end the Korean War
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:34 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his administration also fought against transferring prisoners who had been cleared by the periodic review board despite that very transferring being their stated aim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
but yeah, it's not fair to call something a broken promise when it would have cost political capital to get it done
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Obama was against the individual mandate
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was a question of political capital as much as Obama didn't have leverage over the hawks in his party who wanted to block him over it, and had the authority to do so. The president is not an autocrat.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
and I thought the transfer thing was because the Senators of the states they were gonna get transferred to objected and blocked them
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius) at 11:07 30 Jan 19just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today2 Morbz 1 Cup
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
gross
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
sorry shakes Puritanism is alive and well
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
multiple "viral" 80s Bernie vids making the rounds lately but none seem particularly damning (or interesting)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?
this happens all the time
There's a good case to be made that Trump made half a dozen outrageous promises while campaigning, such as 'every one will have great medical insurance and it will be cheaper, too', then transparently did the opposite, but he was transparently conning people in a way rarely seen before.
In general, presidents reverse themselves far less often than Congressional reps, who arrive in Congress and discover they have almost no power as individuals and they need to compromise their positions to fall in line with their party or to horse trade their vote. By contrast, the president has the power to do more things by fiat and doesn't need to heel turn to fall in line.
I'm sure Jim in vancouver sees it more in Canadian politics than we do in the USA, because parliamentary politics are differently structured than here.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
This @PeterBeinart piece gets to something that has always bugged me: She was seen as a lackluster campaigner until she beat Scott Brown, then a dynamic campaigner when she didn't challenge Hillary, and now a "school marm" campaigner because uh reasons https://t.co/qmh9YRNbxf— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
My hot take on Warren is that she indeed damaged herself (years ago) with the Indian heritage claim, and that this has hurt her in polling, but that polling is being mis-read by people assume she's not a good campaigner. She is *very* good on the stump.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
why bump this thread and not the other one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:12 (five years ago) link
it all goes to the same place in the end
― j., Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
Forgive me
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
Current List:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/politics/2020-democrats-running-for-president/index.html
Yes. Still 19 candidates.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
And also for all of my degenerate friends:https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-usa-presidential-odds-futures
although I like this, because it's graphicalhttps://www.sportsbettingdime.com/politics/democratic-party-presidential-nominee-odds/
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
Didn't realize Beto had so much money.
― nickn, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link