except in Morbz' world, where every politician is either a supervillain or a superhero
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 16:58 (five years ago) link
and what if she's lying her ass off now?
I mean really there's no logic here, who's to say she wasn't lying 5 years ago and her position now is her *actual* deeply held position? Maybe you should meet her and stare into her eyes so you can read her soul like Dubya would have.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
Maybe there are cases in history where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?
Is this really that uncommon? I can think of several examples from Canadian politics.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
Politicians generally govern on the policies they run on to maintain the support of the people who voted for them. Maybe there are cases in history where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:55 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this happens all the time
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
xpostyes but Canadians are a passionate, hot blooded people who often get swept up in the moment
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
I’m not sure of the value in trying to find moments from years ago when a candidate was in a different situation with a different political equation to cast aspersions. And there can be no possibility of explanation or forgiveness. And all that to completely ignore “hey what is she actually running on?”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
it is obviously fair game to examine a politician’s record and weigh it against his or her campaign rhetoric
it’s clear harris is an excellent politician and is the type to be prepared with a great politician’s answer to all the usual tough questions. I’d personally appreciate a little more insight into why she feels those positions were wrong before and why she’s changed her mind aside from the changing political winds
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
This just happened with Trudeau on electoral reform and probably more I'm blanking on rn xps
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
hey Nerdstrom, Obama's 2008 'policies' included a buncha shit he never did.
where every politician is either a supervillain or a superhero
no, they're all assorted varieties of shit. It's what happens when you have to appeal to morons (somewhere between a third and half of the human race). People don't follow actual policy implementation bcz it's motherfucking boring.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today
Xxpost “All the time “?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
Perhaps maybe if you include stuff Obama didn’t actually run on
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
perhaps maybe you're an idiot
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
I have zero doubt Kamala Harris would be approximately one million times better as president than the shitstain currently occupying the WH, but that also goes for all of the others i guess.
― omar little, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link
Xpost name a single thing you had in mind with “it happens all the time”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
yes, we all agree almost anyone would be a better prez than DJT, including prosecuting many of the same Forever Wars more efficiently.
now can you self-anointed experts all plz fuck off?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
Liberals in Canada promised that if they won the last federal election in Canada it would be the last federal election in Canada under FPTP. This year's federal election will be under FPTP as they decided against electoral reform.
Obama pledged to close Guantánamo Bay.
Liberal Democrats in the UK ran on not raising VAT if they were elected, as part of the coalition government they voted to raise VAT.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:19 (five years ago) link
lol try harder
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
that was literally the first executive order he signed after being sworn in, and he was blocked by Congress.
which continued to fight him over it for his entire administration
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
read my lips
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
he didn't add "unless I am blocked by Congress."
also promised to walk a picket line with a union HAHAHAHAHA
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
also said he was "against stupid wars" and continued to wage about seven of them
also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:21 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seem to remember obama having a democratic majority in the legislature for 2 years
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I’d personally appreciate a little more insight into why she feels those positions were wrong before and why she’s changed her mind aside from the changing political winds
― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:06 AM (twenty minutes ago)
otm
― One Thing All ILXors Have In Common, Brace Yourself (WmC), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
Okay Ted Cruz
“also something about letting Dr Morbius choose his own doctor”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
yeah, and they fought him over it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
hey like you never agree with the mass murderers in the CIA, right NP?
(ie dont be a pussy)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
fuck all presidents really
wake me when it's over
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
Not reading any of the Canada or UK stuff.
Obama was critical of Iraq war but I remember him repeatedly promising to go after terrorists in Afghanistan
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
also promised to walk a picket line with a union
this is not a policy position fyi
if you can point me to Obama's anti-union legislation though let me know
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
Obama also drew down all our troops from Iraq (I know, Morbz thinks this war is still going on)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
why am I bothering
I think we can be forgiven for a lack of clarity on which wars are or are not going on
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
WWII is still going on too iirc, after all we still have troops in Germany.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
lol
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
when will Obama finally end the Korean War
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:34 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his administration also fought against transferring prisoners who had been cleared by the periodic review board despite that very transferring being their stated aim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
but yeah, it's not fair to call something a broken promise when it would have cost political capital to get it done
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Obama was against the individual mandate
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was a question of political capital as much as Obama didn't have leverage over the hawks in his party who wanted to block him over it, and had the authority to do so. The president is not an autocrat.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
and I thought the transfer thing was because the Senators of the states they were gonna get transferred to objected and blocked them
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius) at 11:07 30 Jan 19just deliverin' some Realism milkshakes today2 Morbz 1 Cup
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
gross
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
sorry shakes Puritanism is alive and well
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
multiple "viral" 80s Bernie vids making the rounds lately but none seem particularly damning (or interesting)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
where someone did the dramatic heel turn and reversed a stance upon getting safely elected?
There's a good case to be made that Trump made half a dozen outrageous promises while campaigning, such as 'every one will have great medical insurance and it will be cheaper, too', then transparently did the opposite, but he was transparently conning people in a way rarely seen before.
In general, presidents reverse themselves far less often than Congressional reps, who arrive in Congress and discover they have almost no power as individuals and they need to compromise their positions to fall in line with their party or to horse trade their vote. By contrast, the president has the power to do more things by fiat and doesn't need to heel turn to fall in line.
I'm sure Jim in vancouver sees it more in Canadian politics than we do in the USA, because parliamentary politics are differently structured than here.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
This @PeterBeinart piece gets to something that has always bugged me: She was seen as a lackluster campaigner until she beat Scott Brown, then a dynamic campaigner when she didn't challenge Hillary, and now a "school marm" campaigner because uh reasons https://t.co/qmh9YRNbxf— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
My hot take on Warren is that she indeed damaged herself (years ago) with the Indian heritage claim, and that this has hurt her in polling, but that polling is being mis-read by people assume she's not a good campaigner. She is *very* good on the stump.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 9, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
why bump this thread and not the other one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:12 (five years ago) link