Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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See also this new podcast about the Theranos con: http://abcradio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:45 (five years ago) link

are there any interesting bets on who the current theranoses are?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 00:27 (five years ago) link

wework

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link

i mean any businesses applying a startup #growth mindset to medical technology is prima facie a concern, but i can't think of anyone operating on a theranos scale in that sector. maybe ubiome? they just fired 50 people https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/22/ubiome-job-cuts-more-than-50.html.

but wework seems like a ponzi scheme.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

the core concept of wework isn't absurd and it seems like there's gotta be a way to make the business model work. I think the question is if their ridiculous overexpansion / stupid side projects are gonna make the reasonable part of their business completely impossible to sustain even if they shutter half of them and raised prices. (and I think the answer is yeah probably.)

iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link

I'm amazed by how many coworking spaces exist in my small city tbh

mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link

the premise of coworking spaces is sound. i'm talking about wework's financial structure in particular.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link

is it... like of like a three-dimensional triangle, perhaps one commonly with four sides?

mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link

the guy next to us on this flight straight up brought a plain dodecahedron as his personal item pic.twitter.com/ZjWuwkpwsj

— kimmy (@ka_waltz) June 8, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:11 (five years ago) link

ffs that's an icosahedron.

large bananas pregnant (ledge), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link

is this the thread where we talk about Munchery?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link

Please do.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link

if only I had a local munchery

mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:59 (five years ago) link

I’m having trouble articulating just how deeply angry this one makes me. Partly bc the entire category has always been bullshit, partly bc of a VC culture that dismisses skepticism as a character flaw, partly bc jesus fkn christ the specific managers flying this particular zeppelin knew what was coming way in advance.

I’m sure there’s a bridge loan that didn’t come through or whatever and steady as she goes and blah blah blah but leaving employees and vendors holding the bag while setting 150 million dollars on fire... I hope none of these people ever work again, and I guess I’m also furious bc they’ll just fail upwards.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 05:57 (five years ago) link

yeah fuuuuuuuuck those assholes. i would contribute to a gofundme to pay off these businesses, would go gangbusters in "fuck those assholes" circles i bet.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 13:20 (five years ago) link

following this clusterfuck live:
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/

tl;dr version: facebook was using a VPN company they bought as a way to figure out what people do, by watching all of their traffic. apple dumped their app, so they've been pretending it's something called "facebook research" and paying people to install it manually.

shit got real earlier today when apple invalidated their app-signing certificate. a no-brainer, considering they're supposed to be only used for companies to have in-house apps that aren't publicly available, or for internal testing.

it turns out the geniuses at facebook had exactly one enterprise account, and now none of their internal company apps, including one they use for transportation (?) are working at all

mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link

story on that latter point

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18203551/apple-facebook-blocked-internal-ios-apps

Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link

love imagining thousands of software devs milling around not knowing how to get lunch

Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link

aw yeah this is extremely my shit

maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link

using their enterprise cert... I don't even know what the fuck they were thinking. it's just a dumbass move of epic proportions

mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

this is an unusually good scoop from fundamentally unserious fool josh constine

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1003329836574654464/pDmyoRm9_400x400.jpg

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link

that’s... a lot of looks

maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link

caek otm, I was in awe that he did some decent reporting without sounding like he was firmly wedged up the ass of a new startup that sells electric propeller hats

mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link

ou sont les biddles d'antan

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link

After we asked Google whether its app violated Apple policy, Google announced it will remove Screenwise Meter from Apple’s Enterprise Certificate program and disable it on iOS devices.

oh shit guys they saw us, run!

mh, Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:40 (five years ago) link

https://undark.org/article/junk-science-or-real-thing-inference/


Several articles on the site argued against the theory of evolution, for example, and at least one dismissed the overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming. Later, through tax documents and interviews, I would learn that all of Inference’s funding came from a surprising source: Peter Thiel. Since Inference’s start, Thiel, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, has donated at least $1.7 million to the outlet.

Peter Thiel has been funding a junk science publication that whitewashes their bad takes on evolution and global warming by paying legit scientists and writers to contribute real content

mh, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link

oh yeah, and apparently it's likely run by an intelligent design dude

mh, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link

Oh, Peter! Peter! Peter! What are we going to do with you?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 February 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link

Thank you for all of the love and support you have shown us over the years, for sharing us with your friends and family, and for including us in your special life moments.

ewwwwww gross

sarahell, Friday, 1 February 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link

this is like crossover w/the Innocent Smoothies thread ...

sarahell, Friday, 1 February 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link

i'm more surprised at this point when something evil _isn't_ being funded by peter thiel

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:54 (five years ago) link

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/youtube-doesnt-like-dislike-mobs-will-try-to-prevent-dislike-button-abuse/

so youtube was fine with mobs brigading the dislike button until mobs brigade-disliked _their_ video

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Monday, 4 February 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link

*white supremacists and misognyists garner millions of views, flood youtube recommendations with rightwing content*

youtube: i sleep

*users mass-downvote youtube's own video*

youtube: REAL SHIT

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 February 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link

I guess vertical integration has its upsides

rob, Monday, 4 February 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link

our CSA just posted this screed, I tend to agree:

If you live in the SF Bay Area, you have probably heard the news about the prepared-meal delivery company Munchery, who shut their doors and their bank accounts recently without paying their vendors or employees. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this incident.

Many TFF subscribers have already read my opinions about venture capital-funded start ups that promise to "shake up" the food business. They offer things that existing business owners know are simply too good to be true: Extensive freebies and free delivery along with dubious claims that all their ingredients are locally sourced from organic and sustainable farms. And they all claim to do this in the interest of "revolutionizing the food system". But their only real goal is to make themselves wealthy if and when Wall Street takes them public in an IPO.

There are numerous problems with this model. The first is the idea that food should be cheaper than it already is, and technology can make this happen. That is simply untrue. The profit margin in the farming and food businesses is low; there is literally no fat to be removed. And nothing that companies like Blue Apron or Munchery did fundamentally changed those economics. The founders who ran these companies were either naive, ill-informed, or simply lying. And as stories from inside these businesses start to leak out, it is clear they were also poor and inexperienced managers.

Second, food is a mature market with a relatively fixed demand. Munchery and the others have not created new products, but rather taken market share from existing restaurants, supermarkets and other companies. Their only advantage was the free money from venture capital. Other businesses could not afford to spend more than they make in order to compete. Thus, the VC-backed startup model in this instance was not "disruptive". It was profoundly anti-competitive.

Third, the companies they were competing against are better run. Lots of people can run an unprofitable business if they have an endless source of someone else's money. Established business owners are the ones who have figured out how to be sustainably profitable. And yet these were the businesses that Munchery and the others were impacting or eliminating.

Fourth, Venture Capitalists are not held accountable. Sure, VCs are putting their money at risk when they finance companies like Munchery. But that risk should not be limited to the funds they have already invested. Munchery shut down without paying its employees or vendors, and it's unlikely many of the creditors will get much out of their bankruptcy. The VC firms that retain an ownership stake in a startup should be legally required to make good on all the company's debts when it fails. This would raise the bar on what type of companies venture capitalists fund, forcing them to spend more time evaluating the viability of startups and ensuring that they retain enough funds to pay their debts if and when they shut down.

In the end, the business model of Munchery, Blue Apron and so many others in the sector had only one real goal: to take business from thousands of small businesses and outsource limited profits to Wall Street. It was a terrible idea all around, and certainly not good for our economy or society as a whole.

I have sent a letter to my state Assemblywoman asking her to look into legislation requiring VCs to cover the debts of the companies they fund. I believe it is in the interest of the state of California to more strongly discourage VCs from funding companies that they do not have absolute confidence in. Small businesses in this economy need all the protection they can get, and face numerous layers of regulation that raise their costs and lower their profits. Wealthy Venture Capitalists should be subject to regulation and oversight that is just as strong, or stronger.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link

sounds about right

I have only experienced my friends' experience with Blue Apron and I don't think the proposition is cheaper food, though. It's very much about packaging the exact ingredients and proportions and you're paying them a pretty big premium for the planning, packaging, and delivery. The market among my peers is more of the "I don't know what to make, the family gets mac and cheese again" crowd.

mh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:06 (five years ago) link

I have absolutely no doubt they squeeze the suppliers and underpay their employees, though

mh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link

is Blue Apron a recipe/ingredients delivery service? there are a couple here trying to take off.

kinder, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link

yeah, they ship you a box with the meat/vegetables/sauce ingredients and a recipe card in a box. I think they recommend you have a small set of things they don't include (salt and pepper, mostly) but there are even little individual portions of herbs and tiny bottles of red wine vinegar

mh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

I just kinda hate this manbaby economy of "I don't know how to do anything and I don't want to go anywhere, can a robot just deliver it for me plz"

just learn to fucking buy food and cook already, these are literally some of the most basic human activities ever

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link

a neighbor once gave us a blue apron delivery they didn't need and yeah that is the deal

it was ridiculous

xp

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:13 (five years ago) link

those services make me angry

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link

I feel like grocery store mismanagement/consolidation has killed part of the ability to effectively shop in my area. Stores are either too large because they include eight different hot food counters and have banks and a starbucks built in, or they have bad produce suppliers and it's a crapshoot whether things will be any good. Target's grocery area is about as useful as the local grocery store, and it still feels like a grafted-on appendage

It's not as bad as I'm making it out to be, but when the store proportions and selection are more reasonable at the sole Whole Foods store, with all the baggage that comes with, things aren't doing great in grocery world.

I guess the best disruption strategy right now would be: reasonably-sized neighborhood grocery store

mh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link

Trader Joe’s?

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link

There is one Trader Joe's in a suburb that I visit when I go to Costco and run errands every few weeks. It's 9 miles from my house.

mh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:22 (five years ago) link

support your local co-op

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link

TJ's produce is of questionable quality and limited selection.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link


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