"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

blair gives smarmy speeches against socially progressive policies and works for literally the shadiest motherfuckers on earth, he is an opus dei world-building bastard of the first order and patently untrustworthy even at the time people liked him. he collaborated in the knowingly fictive creation of some of the worst foreign policy in living memory and he should not be allowed a public life

oh will you fuck off

He was in cabinet roles from 2002 to 2010 so am assuming he was whipped as part of collective responsibility.

I'm feeling guilty about attacking Lammy now, because all the dead-eyed fash hate him. But he does seem like an overrated, consummate career politician and I can't see much the difference between him and Hilary Benn tbh. as in milking applause with tub-thumping speeches but bad voting record.

I am clarly not winning "imago points" tonight!

i think that people are usually redeemed through some kind of process other than waiting a few years for their transgression to no longer seem relevant to others all the while suffering no consequences

hilary benn gave an actual speech about bombing the fuck out of libya and gammonkind cheered as one. iirc lammy didn't do that at least? straws, clutching, etc

there's little i can argue to plaxico's point though. 'sometimes bad people do good things' is about the best i got

and it isn't very good

He's better than some worse people lets give him that

anyway, this Cooper thing fails tomorrow right?

after that geneva speech the ol hard leftist group chat got v excited abt corbs quoting thomas sankara, boy knows his core

#theAbsoluteBoy

- imago points tho'

ye have it sorted yet

anyway, this Cooper thing fails tomorrow right?

I'm guessing that Corbyn will whip Labour MPs to support it, so its a good litmus test of how rebellious MPs in Leave-voting constituencies are going to be. If they aren't, then it might pass depending on the number of Tory rebels.

I wouldn't rule out widespread abstentions but I hope it carries - if MPs end up voting to reject every option that gets put on the table isn't going to look good to anyone and probably plays into May's hands.

What chance do you give it of passing? Seems like it will be close but not quite enough to get there?

If it did fail, how does that play into May's hands? Does that imply some would vote for the deal but not for Cooper thing?

MPs can't prevent No Deal unless they actively vote for something in its place, if alternative after alternative fails to make it through May can more effectively go "there is no alternative, it's my deal or No Deal" and in a game of who-blinks-first that gives her the advantage.

I get that, but this is an opportunity to put off the blinking for a little while, no?

That needs there to be MPs who voted against the deal, voted against the opportunity to get some breathing room, and then voted for the deal. That doesn't seem like good play

Yes it would be fucking stupid but that's where we are right now.

- imago points tho'

― xyzzzz__, Monday, 28 January 2019 09:49 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why don't you search 'sankara' on ilx, oldest posts first

Is the UK actually being governed at the moment?

My list of delayed and at-risk policies is still growing (and looking for more): https://t.co/8Crx7jfBIz

Here's my take on all this: https://t.co/bun9OL81KF

And another great one from @TheEconomist: https://t.co/8PD53uiiNK

— Emily Andrews (@Emilyishness) January 25, 2019

why don't you search 'sankara' on ilx, oldest posts first

― imago, Monday, 28 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no

ye have it sorted yet

― david waster phallus (darraghmac), Monday, 28 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also no

Well let's spell it out then: first mention of Thomas Sankara on ILX ever was yours truly! And guess what? It was a positive mention! Zero points to xyzzzz

can u stop reacting pls

I thought you liked internecine drama between the Angles and the Saxons.

(So to speak).

j and i both have significant roots that are decidedly not angle nor saxon tbf

see i was aware of that context #xls

all of my grandparents born in britain now i think of it

jolly good show old boy. pip pip

I am aware of it too but in the spirit of jus soli rather than jus sanguinis you're both Anglo-Saxons to me.

jus sayin

Are those deems points?

my fave cool debonair putdown is localgarda late of this parish's "really its not for me to say" so really, its not for me to say

can u stop reacting pls

― david waster phallus (darraghmac), Monday, 28 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you do that.

I'll take that as a resounding yes.

xp

does anyone know if R0b1n C@rm0dy still reads ilx because I would like to get his take on this theory

Sometimes you just have to take advantage of being in a Genesis fans’ Facebook group. pic.twitter.com/0ldGl9qNmb

— Tom Harris (@MrTCHarris) January 28, 2019

also, after reading that I'm not sure if Harris thinks Abacab is good or bad?

tell me do you think i'm to blame?

analogy falls down because i don't think phil saw the direction he took the band in as a compromise

Fuck this dumb shit. Fuck xyzzz trolling LJ. And fuck writing off Lammy's words in 2019 about Brexit, writing him off as a whole, because of how he voted on the Iraq invasion in 2003. Fuck equaling holding the same disposition on anything with being on the good side morally. Changing your mind is ok. Having made mistakes is ok. The gall to even write off Lammy for 2003 is just.. I have no words. It's enraging.

I was an adamant opposer of any "intervention" in Iraq in 2003. I took my frustration about it to the streets, and it was the last time I joined a protest iirc. Fast forward to 2014: I met and fell in love with and engaged in a relationship with a Kurdish woman. Prime leftist, she was. She was appalled to learn I was out on streets opposing the West entering Iraq. The west toppling Saddam saved many of her cousins and nieces - most uncles and aunts had already been killed by the Saddam regime; her mother, too. It was the biggest blessing her family, her people, could have ever wished for. This was so out of my realm it took days for me to fully take this on board. But I took in board. West vs Iraq FITE wasn't as black and white as we like to pretend over here.

And regardless of your view on the intervention of the west, it's still fucked up to discard Lammy *on Brexit* pointing to how he voted on the Iraq intervention. Unless you are the most perfect human being that has ever lived. Lemme know if u R xyzzz, but I doubt you are baby jesus.

she's going to bring this back as plan c again isn't she

He is, because he espouses the most perfect of ideologies. It all flows from there.

xp

Labour abstaining on the immigration bill, is it?

voting against

(on second reading)

yep

Hearing from my sources (god, I’ve always wanted to say that) Labour are whipping to vote down the Immigration Bill. This is fantastic news!

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) January 28, 2019

I should fucking hope so!

the plan had been to abstain on second reading but they u turned

this was diane abbott a mere couple of hours ago:

"The Labour Party is clear that when Britain leaves the single market, freedom of movement ends...on that basis, the frontbench of the Labour Party will not be opposing this Bill this evening."