2020 Democratic presidential primary

for whatever reason she is doing it in front of Oakland City Hall, even though she is a San Francisco person ... the fact she was super pro-cop and really "tough on crime" doesn't go down well with some people ... more of whom live in Oakland than in San Francisco these days ... I seriously don't understand this choice of location

Nerdstrom, I just don’t think left outliers like Sarandon can be held responsible for Trump’s election. There were so many other more relevant factors.

Exactly, how come the other woman (Thelma?) seems to be escaping any scrutiny in all this?

she should rly consider stepping aside so as not to take away from the bernie vote

well, the news helicopters aren't deafening, so it must not be that big a deal/well attended

If back in the 70s and 80s Bernie had focussed more on infrastructure rather than being an old white man in a crumpled suit there might have been better roads and traffic signs and Susan Sarandon and that other lady might not have ended up driving over that cliff and we wouldn't be in this mess today

maybe someone will be inspired to break the window of the nearby police recruiting office ... it's always heartwarming when that gets done ... kinda missing 2012 tbh

I'm gonna share a few (public) FB posts from Greg Tate re Kamala Harris.

Funny hearing folk say Kamala Harris' campaign is already toast because of her prosecutorial record. Show me an American politician whose career was ever hurt by the number of negroes they helped put in jail? It ain’t hurt Hillary’s 95% Black Vote percentages. And Harris already got The Black Sorors Matrix 3000 percent behind her too? Sheeee. Yawl tripping or don’t know the power of having a jillion Real Black Professional Women on your Ra Ra team. Just because we Black Justice First Up here in this peanut gallery don’t mean we matter. Hell, all her negatives for You People are positives for likely half the non-Negro electorate. In any event we bout a year away from the real campaign season so these predictions are moot as F.

Folk betta recognize: Kamala Harris pledging Alpha at Howard is the Blackety-Black card equivalent of marrying 300,000 Michelles, and counting. That's long term political strategizing like a mutha-for-ya, Sun. ''Consisting of college-educated women of many diverse backgrounds from around the world, the sorority serves through a membership of more than 300,000 women in 1024 chapters in the United States and several other countries.''

Let's also just get this out of the way too while we're projecting our vision of how 2020's Democratic Party Game of Thrones about to play out on the Black Hand side: Kamala Harris being married to a yt man does not present the same disadvantage that Barack being to married to even a light-skinned sister would have - especially among Black Adults Who Actually Plan To Vote. Black Twitter can have at her for all the righteous Justice Movement and wrong-kinda-nigga identity politics reasons but methinks that still adds up to marginal numbers of all the Black Adults Who Actually Plan To Vote.

yeah i think just about everyone in the left/progressive activist community in Oakland knows they are super marginalized politically and that their votes count for shit (if they even do so because they aren't super dogmatic anarchocommunists) but thanks for the reminder

for whatever reason she is doing it in front of Oakland City Hall ... I seriously don't understand this choice of location

She was born in Oakland?

Those fb posts make me really uncomfortable.

In what way?

she was born in an Oakland hospital -- that's her entire connection to Oakland -- as opposed to having been a DA in San Francisco for how many years? Was San Francisco all booked up or something?

¯\(ツ)/¯

It just seems like her campaign ppl were thinking "Oakland = black" as opposed to "Oakland = lots of people who hate cops and the people that are pro-incarceration"

she heard ppl like oaks

who knows, maybe our mayor and business leaders gave her campaign a bunch of perks, like the way cities courted Amazon, but like, on a lower level

Idk unperson. I know the posts are “against” stuff like criticizing harris for having a white husband, but even the specter of that kind of identity politics, is depressing because people should marry who they want. And also this person conflates that kind of thing—which i dont even know how popular it would be—with the legitimate issue of her record as a prosecutor.

or maybe she's also there to promote Barbara Lee's re-election, which would be ok, because Barbara Lee is cool

That fb post seems incredibly naive about what it means to be a black woman even in the estimations of black people

is anyone on this thread a black woman?

because you view the election of the fascist in positive terms because it was “punishment for libs” or whatever.

Ok, gabbneb.

That fb post seems incredibly naive about what it means to be a black woman even in the estimations of black people

Tate arguing with straw men here, I think most people who have been critical of Harris’ prosecutorial record acknowledge that it’s not actually going to hurt her with the broader Dem electorate.

Also, Tate is pretty old by now right? That slangy posting style is lame as hell, I don’t care how long he’s been doing it.

this is one of the major reasons I think Sanders won’t get the nomination https://t.co/H1HhsbfXjB

— chris hooks (@cd_hooks) January 27, 2019

Agree. Twitter/online world is such a teeny part of the electorate.

Kamala Harris has a really nice campaign poster, motif going on.

ilx has terrible recruitment and orientation. I feel like I only knew of 2 black women that were regular ilx posters at one point. Maybe there were more?

There’s truth in what Hooks and Weigel are saying but too many people maybe assume Sanders runs the exact same kind of campaign as before. Not that his core policy focus won’t be the same but if you notice the way he’s incorporated a foreign policy vision into that message might indicate a more sophisticated operation.

Also there’s the possibility that it plays out like the 2016 GOP where instead of everyone lining up around one not-Bernie none of them want to drop out and instead cancel each other out.

Feel like we could work out an orientation program or a buddy system but I wouldn’t know how to go about recruiting anyone

which potential nominee has the best climate policy

I’ve thought of distributing flyers

who knows, maybe our mayor and business leaders gave her campaign a bunch of perks, like the way cities courted Amazon, but like, on a lower level

Oakland is less easy to demonize in the national media than SF? IDK. I went. The speech was decent-mostly generic. She seemed nervous maybe. I'd never heard her speak but for clips from senate hearings. Biggest applause getters were related to health care & racism, followed by climate.

fwiw nerdstrom that house was not rebuilt, and last i checked its sodden, molding, burned-up interior still stands vacant behind plywood under order from the department of buildings. not sure what the status is or where the landlord is financially but everybody who lived there was faced with sudden and very unexpected relocation expenses on top of having to replace between 10% and 95% of their worldly possessions depending how close their rooms were to the start of the fire, and contrary to stereotype several of those folks were not coddled millionaire brooklyn leftists but paycheck-to-paycheck folks with no family resources etc to fall back on. i don't care what dumb overzealous shit sarandon may have said about politics; she chipped in, she has never run for president to my knowledge so she seems somewhat off-topic for this thread, and she made me bawl my eyes out in speed racer as noted. afaict she only gets debated in these conversations because people think getting people to extract concessions about her statements is some kind of way to win points about bernie and/or socialism (????).

No you just have to say what she said is bad. This could have been over WAAAAAAAY upthread. Weirdly no reason why this is somehow impossible .

Holding Treeship's (of all people) feet to the fire and demanding that he post a critical message board comment about something Susan Sarandon (of all people) said about politics two years ago is next-level nebbishy. xps!

“What she said is bad” Nothing questionable or revealing about why that’s like pulling teeth lol

Nerdstrom your posting is bad

some of our political luvvie moral midgets like Marsan/Robinson are so fucking lame, would swap them for DeVito/Sarandon in a microsecond.

Nerdstrom yr actin like Neera Tanden demanding people denounce "corncob bs"

what she said was good btw

ffs can we just ban gabbneb for the nth time

like, this is watching someone troll boringly and voluminously in the comments under a fivethirtyeight article

well, glad I missed today

Lol, Yglesias squares the circle:

Why are so many Bernie voters assholes?

Well, there were ~13 million of them, so if you figure ~2% of them are two standard deviations more assholic than the typical person that’s like 260,000 extreme assholes which is a ton of people.

Math!

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 27, 2019

If you think about distributions and figure the average Bernie voter is slightly more likely to be an asshole (it’s a younger and maler group) you end up with a much larger number of right-tail extreme assholes without them being in any way representative of the overall group.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 27, 2019

Lmao I just realized Bernie hasn't even actually announced yet

Literally all I’ve been asking for thanks. Tree and Casino couldn’t say the below for whatever reason.

what she said was good btw
― david waster phallus (darraghmac)

that thread is just a long retread of hoary old "he's not even a democrat," "this was all about his dumb ego," and "he should have dropped out at X unspecified time" material, which have all been worked over here ad nauseum since late 2015. bernie ran to shift the window and demonstrate that there was support for a labor/new-deal left nationwide, and succeeded massively. i wonder how many of AOC and her peers we'd be seeing in action in national and local office, or whether M4A would now be a baseline dem position, if the sanders campaign had packed it in when he was "supposed" to.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:56 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

xpost one reason might be that your dumb schtick of baiting people by casting aspersions on their commitments if they don't jump when you say jump to denounce someone that has been dragged into an argument for no reason of all is p much like that of a tedious high school student

No that’s not it. This is over anyway. The Britisher lady said what you couldn’t say.

will you knock it the fuck off