2020 Democratic presidential primary

How was that Bernie's fault?

It's still super early in the process (ridiculously early!), but on a purely personal level my heart says Elizabeth Warren while my head says Kamala Harris.

When I ask myself questions like "whose administration would be extremely transparent?" and "which candidate would set aside the most time to actually listen to voters?" the answer to every one of these questions is Elizabeth Warren. More than Bernie Sanders even.

I just think Kamala Harris is more of a sledgehammer and could make mincemeat out of Trump and his surrogates.

Remember the group of anti-Obama Clinton stans who became Trump supporters? LOL

i admire cornel west quite a bit. his writing as well as the way he appeared to treat people in his daily life. i used to work in a bookstore that he would go in all the time. unlike every other celebrity professor, he never treated the staff as furniture, always seemed genuinely interested in others, to an extent where i took note of it and decided i wanted to emulate it. xp

Is he for or against bailing out the banks.

cornel west?

obviously against the type of bailout we had. he's a leftist.

damn

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It’s not Bernie’s fault that people he asked to be placed on the platform committee didn’t think the fascist should be stopped. The obvious point is it’s fucked up for resentment not to persist following that.

i admire cornel west quite a bit. his writing as well as the way he appeared to treat people in his daily life. i used to work in a bookstore that he would go in all the time. unlike every other celebrity professor, he never treated the staff as furniture, always seemed genuinely interested in others, to an extent where i took note of it and decided i wanted to emulate it. xp

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:06 PM (two minutes ago)

that's nice to hear

yeah, he was a nice guy and i enjoyed when he came in. a very small thing in the scheme of things but the world sucks so i've decided it's important.

Personally, it is one of two Bernie duds that he prefers to have the famous "bailing out evil banks" as a central message instead of deficit spending. As of today, I think it is understood by most democrats that Paygo in 2008 onwards was a dumb idea that slowed the recovery so it's not a biggie so he didn't need to hammer the deficit spending message as much. However, I am almost certain than in Obama's position Bernie would have done the same because it was one of those 'we need an economy by next week guys' situations.

Warren and Hillary were on the wrong side of this too but Bernie probably shouldn’t have made such a big deal about TPP. That take hasn’t held up. It was fascinating to see how that resonated as an issue with people in the most surface level symbolic terms.

I just think Kamala Harris is more of a sledgehammer and could make mincemeat out of Trump and his surrogates

Tump is making mincemeat out of himself!

Would prefer a candidate with good policies that doesn't waste time and energy on Trump. in 2020 Trump is seriously likely to be dead in the water

At this point, I think the more people throwing their hat in the ring the better. I think it will ultimately yield the strongest candidate. A big problem for the Dems in 2016 was not enough competition in the primaries.

Are you saying Jim Webb and... *looks at notes* Lincoln Chaffee weren't rigorous enough competition??

Definitely agree with that, dont understand this weird idea that people should be stepping out of the way for some pre-ordained anointed one. Battling and media attention is good not bad - get the good platforms out there

esp when it comes to M4A and keeping that in spotlight

Like we cant talk about not rerunning the 2016 primaries and fair enough but lets not rerun the 2016 general either

Literally no one is saying less people should run.

They should definitely have some major progressive policies in the foreground of their messaging (biggest problem w HRC was that the policies were there but message often just urging people to look them up on the website). But if midterms are any indication it would be a huge and baffling mistake to not run against the unpopular president and utilize the anger and fear of him somewhat.

f you can direct me to something like this ever happening, I'd be grateful,

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93?ec_carp=6658747009142761326

I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her."

ty!

Susan Sarandon is fucking dumb, but also nobody listens to Susan Sarandon so who cares.

Susan Sarandon voted in meaningless NY, so you are fucking dumb for caring.

Another valuable contribution, Morbs.

you are fucking dumb for caring

easy mr Sunny Day Real Estate

no srsly, take yr head out

https://gawker.com/it-couldnt-possibly-matter-less-if-susan-sarandon-doesn-1767810152

Yes, and...? Either your reading comprehension has gone to utter shit or you are willfully misunderstanding.

A thread.

Thread: With Bernie about to announce his second run for President, I wanted to explain why I don't support him. Before I get into that, I will say that if he wins the nomination I *will* vote for him in the general b/c I'm not an asshole.

— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) January 26, 2019

Lol can you imagine how reviled Bernie would be in an alternate timeline where he mounted a third party challenge and "cost" Dem nominees elections

that thread is just a long retread of hoary old "he's not even a democrat," "this was all about his dumb ego," and "he should have dropped out at X unspecified time" material, which have all been worked over here ad nauseum since late 2015. bernie ran to shift the window and demonstrate that there was support for a labor/new-deal left nationwide, and succeeded massively. i wonder how many of AOC and her peers we'd be seeing in action in national and local office, or whether M4A would now be a baseline dem position, if the sanders campaign had packed it in when he was "supposed" to.

Yeah, that's p much what I think in my head every time someone brings up the "not a Democrat" line: "would you prefer if he ran a third-party campaign in the general?" xp to Simon

I know plenty of commies who wish he'd form a genuine workers' party and for the record they are also nuts and wrong

that twitter thread is very shitty, and so are all the responses

.@jeffzeleny reports on Inside Politics: @HillaryClinton is telling associates she hasn’t closed the door on a 2020 bid

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) January 27, 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_compulsion

The comparison of political parties to unions is incredibly disingenuous as well. And M4A was not the same policy HRC was running on. 2xp

Yeah. The whole thread rests on the assumption that the dem party was fine as it was and it was acting as an effective vehicle for economic and environmental justice. It wasn’t.

You need a “gadfly” sometimes, like that’s what people say about anyone who disrupts a status quo that isn’t working

If hillary runs again though then damn I’m impressed by her stubbornness. 2016 seemed like a torturous experience for her.

doesnt america need about ten actual parties before it can even pretend to start to work again

go for it Bernie imo

The fact that anyone remotely thinks “she lives in a safe blue state” is a good point re: Sarandon is revealing of limited mental capacity or dishonesty. She said Trump “wasn’t dangerous”. It’s wrong and questionable to not dislike her for that. You can just not your head (doesn’t matter how slowly or reluctantly) and say “that’s bad”. Go ahead *lobs the softball* She and everyone like her are going to be owned for that until they die.

Hillary isn’t running she would have had to be doing stuff by now she hasn’t done. It’s clickbait people fall for every few months

Susan Sarandon isn’t very influential. She is just a person with eccentric views.

Can we maybe stitch 8 candidates together. Just the good parts of each

who the hell is susan sarandon losing tracks of all these now

Xpost “It’s bad that she said that”. Go ahead, you can do it. She’s also obviously a synecdoche for people of everyone downplayed the threat of fascism. This isn’t hard.

Anvil definitely post more about how you don’t know who so and so is it what something is

er, ok, if you like!

who the hell is susan sarandon losing tracks of all these now