2020 Democratic presidential primary

So why do we still fret about 2016 then?

He's welcome to run again. I don't think he'll be the nominee, and I don't think it'll even be close this time, so people are just throwing their donations down a hole, but if he holds everyone else to a more progressive line then purpose fulfilled I guess.

people fret about his 2016 campaign because he is a scapegoat

Real talk, I think Clinton supporters (myself included) are just angry because her campaign was deep six'ed from all directions, including from the candidate herself, but she still won the popular vote overwhelmingly and lost the presidency because of the dumb as fuck electoral college and they/we are still super bitter. Sorry about that.

At the same time, I've over a) white dudes, b) candidates at or past civilian retirement age, and c) cults of personality. Give me someone with a good platform who's a hard worker and I don't care how boring he or she is.

elizabeth warren

so over white duuuuuuuuudessssssss

At the same time, I've over a) white dudes, b) candidates at or past civilian retirement age, and c) cults of personality. Give me someone with a good platform who's a hard worker and I don't care how boring he or she is.

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, January 26, 2019 5:45 PM (fourteen seconds ago)

yes, not sure it's fair but it's kind of how I feel too

this white dude is sooooooooooo over white dudes let me tell you

It’s safe to say people got carried away in a way that was unjustifiable and is worth maybe acknowledgement if contemplation is too painful. I don’t if you guys saw this but there was a convention in Philadelphia and Bernie seemed mortified by how his own delegates. A few of his more high profile supporters never endorsed the democratic candidate that was running against the overtly racist fascist candidate. To pretend those things didn’t happen or not be a little bit mad about that is only possible if you think the result of the general election was of no consequence, which may be the case for many people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKvNtAVZyOc

maybe the democratic party shouldn't have lost the confidence of an important voter base (young progressives) by doing stuff like bailing out the banks and expanding bush's wars. like, the idea that the left antipathy to hillary* happened either in a vacuum or was bernie's fault is bananas. he was trying to bring the party where it needed to be.

*i was never part of this for the record and after the primary tried to talk up hillary to people, not that one person would have made a difference anyway

Bernie should have established mind control over Susan Sarandon and made her endorse Hillary, of course. That would have definitely sealed the election in Michigan and Wisconsin.

MAY 24, 2008

BRANDON, S.D. — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended staying in the Democratic nominating contest on Friday by pointing out that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, adding, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

Nina Turner Cornel West, probably other people that failed their most important moral test.

you people should all support warren then. she knows what's up in terms of economic inequality and environmental issues even though she isn't as far left as bernie. i would be over the moon if she were the nominee, as i would if bernie were the nominee.

if you really just like the kind of politics represented by obama (who i personally admire, but politically eh) and hillary then that's a totally different issue. your problem with bernie, in that case, is who he was--a progressive challenger--not the way he conducted his campaign.

cornel west is straight up the nicest person i've ever met

Susan Sarandon is fucking dumb, but also nobody listens to Susan Sarandon so who cares.

Xpost lots of people can smile and shake hands

No matter who wins the presidential nomination Bernie will be a sizeable influence on the party's course forward. Just like he was in the primaries.

“It’s bad that Cornel West didn’t endorse the person running against the fascist” you can do it Treeship, go ahead

How was that Bernie's fault?

It's still super early in the process (ridiculously early!), but on a purely personal level my heart says Elizabeth Warren while my head says Kamala Harris.

When I ask myself questions like "whose administration would be extremely transparent?" and "which candidate would set aside the most time to actually listen to voters?" the answer to every one of these questions is Elizabeth Warren. More than Bernie Sanders even.

I just think Kamala Harris is more of a sledgehammer and could make mincemeat out of Trump and his surrogates.

Remember the group of anti-Obama Clinton stans who became Trump supporters? LOL

i admire cornel west quite a bit. his writing as well as the way he appeared to treat people in his daily life. i used to work in a bookstore that he would go in all the time. unlike every other celebrity professor, he never treated the staff as furniture, always seemed genuinely interested in others, to an extent where i took note of it and decided i wanted to emulate it. xp

Is he for or against bailing out the banks.

cornel west?

obviously against the type of bailout we had. he's a leftist.

damn

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It’s not Bernie’s fault that people he asked to be placed on the platform committee didn’t think the fascist should be stopped. The obvious point is it’s fucked up for resentment not to persist following that.

i admire cornel west quite a bit. his writing as well as the way he appeared to treat people in his daily life. i used to work in a bookstore that he would go in all the time. unlike every other celebrity professor, he never treated the staff as furniture, always seemed genuinely interested in others, to an extent where i took note of it and decided i wanted to emulate it. xp

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:06 PM (two minutes ago)

that's nice to hear

yeah, he was a nice guy and i enjoyed when he came in. a very small thing in the scheme of things but the world sucks so i've decided it's important.

Personally, it is one of two Bernie duds that he prefers to have the famous "bailing out evil banks" as a central message instead of deficit spending. As of today, I think it is understood by most democrats that Paygo in 2008 onwards was a dumb idea that slowed the recovery so it's not a biggie so he didn't need to hammer the deficit spending message as much. However, I am almost certain than in Obama's position Bernie would have done the same because it was one of those 'we need an economy by next week guys' situations.

Warren and Hillary were on the wrong side of this too but Bernie probably shouldn’t have made such a big deal about TPP. That take hasn’t held up. It was fascinating to see how that resonated as an issue with people in the most surface level symbolic terms.

I just think Kamala Harris is more of a sledgehammer and could make mincemeat out of Trump and his surrogates

Tump is making mincemeat out of himself!

Would prefer a candidate with good policies that doesn't waste time and energy on Trump. in 2020 Trump is seriously likely to be dead in the water

At this point, I think the more people throwing their hat in the ring the better. I think it will ultimately yield the strongest candidate. A big problem for the Dems in 2016 was not enough competition in the primaries.

Are you saying Jim Webb and... *looks at notes* Lincoln Chaffee weren't rigorous enough competition??

Definitely agree with that, dont understand this weird idea that people should be stepping out of the way for some pre-ordained anointed one. Battling and media attention is good not bad - get the good platforms out there

esp when it comes to M4A and keeping that in spotlight

Like we cant talk about not rerunning the 2016 primaries and fair enough but lets not rerun the 2016 general either

Literally no one is saying less people should run.

They should definitely have some major progressive policies in the foreground of their messaging (biggest problem w HRC was that the policies were there but message often just urging people to look them up on the website). But if midterms are any indication it would be a huge and baffling mistake to not run against the unpopular president and utilize the anger and fear of him somewhat.

f you can direct me to something like this ever happening, I'd be grateful,

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton_us_5706fbbde4b03a9e75d3fd93?ec_carp=6658747009142761326

I think the idea of a Donald Trump or a Ted Cruz presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for this country. I will do everything in my power and work as hard as I can to make sure that that does not happen. And if Secretary Clinton is the nominee, I will certainly support her."

ty!

Susan Sarandon is fucking dumb, but also nobody listens to Susan Sarandon so who cares.

Susan Sarandon voted in meaningless NY, so you are fucking dumb for caring.

Another valuable contribution, Morbs.

you are fucking dumb for caring

easy mr Sunny Day Real Estate

no srsly, take yr head out

https://gawker.com/it-couldnt-possibly-matter-less-if-susan-sarandon-doesn-1767810152

Yes, and...? Either your reading comprehension has gone to utter shit or you are willfully misunderstanding.

A thread.

Thread: With Bernie about to announce his second run for President, I wanted to explain why I don't support him. Before I get into that, I will say that if he wins the nomination I *will* vote for him in the general b/c I'm not an asshole.

— scary lawyerguy (@scarylawyerguy) January 26, 2019

Lol can you imagine how reviled Bernie would be in an alternate timeline where he mounted a third party challenge and "cost" Dem nominees elections