"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

an almost Neu!-like level of refined minimalist perfection

*charges into thread, wheezing angrily* sir, i take excep —

while this is most definitely right (and grown up and sensible) - it can be hard to resist the base urge to dunk

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come come now i hope we are not americans

Just to go back up.

I'm not trying to say Corbyn is above criticism, but I don't care about his opinions on Chavism - just as much as I couldn't give a fuck about May on Trump or the fucking LibDems/Labour Melts on macron.

― calzino, Friday, 25 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mostly agree, to many of us its his domestic more socialist positions that matter, but its his practiced anti-imperialism (something that no young charismatic piece of thrash, as well as older lefties like Bernie Sanders, quite have) is what leads to his attacks on Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen - were he to become PM there would be a confrontation there. He would 'disrupt' things and that is significant and goes both ways when it comes to the public. The speech on terrorism at the GE played well whereas Skripal was quite damaging to Labour last year - although you do wonder if the effects of those things would last or not into a new one. Probably not, just like when people who tell you again and again they voted Labour to add some fake nuance to their take on Corbyn may not in fact vote the same way again in the next one.

Tory Brexiters who are being *extremely* complacent about potentially saddling their own party with its own Winter of Discontent moment.

Isn't the plan to blame Europe and/or immigrants for that?

The Conservatives are the natural party of government; it's not possible for bad things to be the result of their mismanagement.

i’m still confused about the skripal thing. clearly, because everyone keeps saying it, it’s damaged labour, but is it because people think that russia is still a communist leaning state in some way? reds in the bed stuff? i mean the newsnight graphic with the was it wasn’t it photoshopped corbyn hat suggests that. but everyone knows that russia has been a rampantly capitalist oligarchy which has inherited and maintained the structures of state control from its communist heritage, but nothing else, right*? i mean abramovich at the v least as an avatar of that provides the evidence? or is it not that.

*nervous glance to shari vari here

putin’s a mad imperialist cunt and britishes love to hardman

I mean there seems to be a bit of that going on too, but in the main it’s that Russian actors came here and were able to do so. If you contrast towards Corbyn’s GE about staying out of other countries/UK actions create terrorism back home, that was popular because a lot of people do agree with isolationist views - but it’s very different when it’s happening here.

yeah corbyn has done well w isolationist foreign policy when it’s been about escalations abroad. his dovishness didn’t play as well when it was in response to an ~incursion~ on great british soil.

wasn't it was Corbyn saying that the government was too quick to blame the Putin regime, which I thought was reasonable at the time. Williamson offering Putin out in comedy hardman style was apparently the right way to do it.

, that was popular because a lot of people do agree with isolationist views

I was sorta surprised by this and still not quite sure how it plays out, there doesn't seem the same isolationist anti-war streak in UK as in US - still feels an underlying belief in our brave boy should be out there killing and showing the world whos boss

our brave boy

bloody hell, cutbacks have even reached the armed forces now this is rough

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/john-humphrys-suggests-ireland-could-quit-eu-and-join-uk

Questioned about the possibility by the BBC Today presenter John Humphrys, Ireland’s Europe minister, Helen McEntee, said it was not contemplating quitting the EU, that polls showed 92% of the population wanted to remain in the bloc, and “Irexit” was not plausible.

Humphrys said: “There has to be an argument, doesn’t there, that says instead of Dublin telling this country that we have to stay in the single market etc within the customs union, why doesn’t Dublin, why doesn’t the Republic of Ireland, leave the EU and throw in their lot with this country?”

fwiw I've never heard anyone having a go at Corbyn over the Skripals, I'm not convinced it's that big a deal.

that’s some real galaxy brain shit right there xp

what is with this entire generation of so-called bbc institutions turning into gibbering euthanasia cases

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How much do the BBC pay that senile moron a year?

my fave senior moment from Humphrys last year was when he introduced Patten as the "former governor of China". Just a misspeak maybe you say, but coming from this arrogant dense twat...

bbc is straight up becoming the political equivalent of dads4justice

I'm really looking forward to the segment on @BBCr4today on Monday morning when John Humphrys interviews a French government minister and demands to know why France won't rejoin the Angevin Empire, so it can carry on trading with Britain after Brexit pic.twitter.com/09njPWwrRB

— Dr Francis Young (@DrFrancisYoung) January 26, 2019

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and ppl say it is Corbz who is going turn this country into Venezuela 2.0.

well that’s one way to take back control i guess

One in 20 British adults do not believe the Holocaust happened, and 8% say that the scale of the genocide has been exaggerated, according to a poll marking Holocaust Memorial Day.

Almost half of those questioned said they did not know how many Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, and one in five grossly underestimated the number, saying that fewer than two million were killed.

embarrassing, sickmaking .... seriously, fuck this country.

first world problems: the spread of fake, pro-ignorant historical narratives that suit neo-fascism.

while I don't always agree w her, grace blakely is a good addition to the lesser NS

I always use up my freebie clicks on Bush.

if you dismiss the paywall popup and immediately stop the reloading page you can read the whole site

embarrassing, sickmaking .... seriously, fuck this country.

They're actually better than I thought they'd be, I imagine they're worse in many many other countries. Someone recently posted findings of a similar poll in the US which weren't that different.

If you’re reading in safari the reading view option will get you around quite a lot of paywalls, including that one.

I think lots of places don’t educate well enough on the Holocaust or antisemitism in general. I wouldn’t have known that there was a pogrom in Limerick for example, or about how Charlie Flanagan’s da actually supported the Nazis (!) There isn’t enough done to educate on how the Nazis used centuries of antisemitism in the first place, or how they were not a unique phenomenon that could never occur again.

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way too high for supposedly such an advanced economy imo, if that poll was a true representation of the population - that's 3million + who think the holocaust DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

I keep forgetting to install safari.

wasn't it was Corbyn saying that the government was too quick to blame the Putin regime

It's that plus he was wrong - charging in and it turning out that you were right after will always be popular with a certain lot.

good old stout-hearted british bulldog spirit will always save the day.

I saw a bulldog the other day with a poppy badge on his collar, very young guy walking him as well. the future is in good hands.

i have to say that some of my more unreconstructed leftist chums still behave as if Russia is the Soviet Union and tend to take a more uncritical line with Putin's bullshit than they'd dream of affording to evil western governments. see also: dorks who approvingly post RT stories

I think any Labour MP's appearing on RT should be severely punished, or even thrown out of the party tbh.

as illuminating as it is to see Galloway + Salmond "sticking it to the UK MSM" on an oligarch channel idk wtf is going on in some ppls heads. Also going on RT is the very definition of bringing the party into disrepute imo.

It’ll be a shame to see David Lammy go but rules are rules.

..no exceptions I'm afraid, get on the naughty step with Chris Williamson you tool!

idk if it’s a generational thing but young online hard-leftists seem to gravitate much more towards defending China and, sometimes, the DPRK than Russia now.

Both more nominally still communist, I guess.

other things young online hard-leftists love: Cuba, IRA, Venezuela and Bolivia. I don't see enough love for Vietnam and Laos :-(

I was once queuing for hari krishna food outside SOAS and there were people distributing a communist newspaper with the headline "CHINA IS NOT A CAPITALIST COUNTRY" and had to suppress the urge to lecture them about "listen lads, I've lived there for a while and let me tell you it's easily the most capitalist country I've ever been to, really"

Their social credit system is probably the future of western capitalism.

I've spent some time in Vietnam and know some Vietnamese and what they tell me is it's corrupt from top to bottom. To get an internet connection you have to bribe someone, to get treated at a hospital you have to bribe the receptionist to see a nurse, you have to bribe the nurse to see the resident, you have to bribe the resident to see the specialist, etc etc. It's way more Hobbesian world than anything in the West. All the money is made by communist party cronies who are given govt contracts at ridiculously low prices and immediately sell them on at the market rate. When I was in Ho Chi Minh City I stayed near this car dealership that had like 30 Rollses in a display that would have been outrageously ostentatious in London or Paris. Vietnam is definitely no socialist paradise

idk if it’s a generational thing but young online hard-leftists seem to gravitate much more towards defending China and, sometimes, the DPRK than Russia now.

Thank fuck I don't know any of these people.

lol, I wouldn't know where to start if trying mount a defence of the DPRK. They look very happy + well fed in them workout videos I guess and there are plenty of corrupt politicians I'd like to see acquainted with an anti-aircraft gun.

Calzino I am going out now but I will try and remember to acquaint you with a twitter account or two sometime ;-)

re: Skripal this is the graph I was shown that is meant to show the impact.

Sorry getting xposted madly here. 1) the strategy bit, 2) right, but the danger is "go into election supporting Leave", which is v. difficult to see happening, 3) apols for iPhone editing, but see attached. They have never recovered from the hit they took there. pic.twitter.com/9jBNaO5cUX

— Allan Donald (@bonaldi) January 6, 2019