"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

there's no way she could have worked closely with him for decades and not known what he was up to xp

Wollaston: “We could have the numbers if we had the unequivocal support of Jeremy Corbyn.”

— Adam Payne (@adampayne26) January 24, 2019

This is so disingenuous (what a shock). As reported at the weekend, a good portion of the front bench oppose a 2nd referendum and would resign if whipped to vote for one. And that’s just the Labour numbers; they need enough Tories to vote for it as well to balance out the Labour MPs opposing it and afaict they’re well short of it.

basically it's a load of shite + they wouldn't have the numbers at all with Corbyn's support.

it's funny/depressing as fuck reading some of these #IstandwithAlex loons, lol one of them crying an establishment stitch-up like they did to Tommy.

can't believe the establishment would frame salmond by forcing him to be a notorious groper for 30 years, smdh

She’s already said she’d vote against the two-part Labour frontbench amendment ruling out no deal and ruling in a referendum on the deal that is negotiated, plus the usual thing where she votes for pov-killing austerity measures *because she is a Tory*

Yesterday I was approached to help Women for People’s Vote with some media stuff, and presented enough caveats that I don’t think they’ll let me help after all. LOL.

On the one hand the CEO of airbus says they’ll have to leave the UK if there’s no deal but on the other hand Standup4brixit174826 whose only experience of the aerospace industry is that they’ve been on a plane twice says it’s project fear so now I don’t know what to think

— James Felton (@JimMFelton) January 24, 2019

pmsl

I understand @ChukaUmunna and @sarahwollaston press conference was not sanctioned by the actual People's Vote campaign...

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) January 24, 2019

lol we're all gonna die

welp

BREAKING: Former First Minister Alex Salmond is facing multiple charges of sexual assault and two of attempted rape. pic.twitter.com/lty5wh9hAq

— David Clegg (@davieclegg) January 24, 2019

The charge sheet is hefty, too

rip big man, heaven needed an oleaginous sex criminal with a gambling problem

it sounds like his hands have a gamboling about prob as well.

Eck's Sex Charges.

Let's not publicly shame him, that's for the press to deal with.

theres a logical flaw in bg's supposition of either heaven's entry criteria or their population

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f88201b05bd124e2c9b91f88087f75601c4ffabf/0_0_2560_1536/master/2560.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=4cd49bc5e36a79f448be4b20a1e0304d

Burgon suing The Scum after it accuses him of antisemitism because he got on stage with a B Sabbath tribute band who plagiarised a famous album cover.

Adam Wolanski QC, acting for the newspaper, asked: “Is it fair to say you don’t like the Sun very much?”

Burgon responded: “I probably like them as much as they like me.”

They accused him of being a Nazi because a group he appeared with pastiches Sabbath’s ‘We Sold Our Soul For Rock’N’Roll’, which is... just write the damned check, Rupert.

you could really picture mild-mannered Burgon, who was had 2 lefty teachers for parents, just loving some Skrewdriver action.

Lucky he's not a Kiss fan.

he probably is tbh, in a recent NS interview he said he liked iron maiden as well. Which obv means he is pro iron-discipline and has a frederick the great bust next to his nazi eagle statue.

any kremlinologists able to decipher why may finally deigned to invite union leaders to downing street to discuss brexit ? trying to build up some political collateral / moral authority for when she has to seek an A50 extension ?

Didn’t invite them until Corbyn refused to meet her? She is obviously that basic.

i feel dim for asking this question because i'm sure it's been asked and answered all over the internet and probably even in this thread, but remind me again why corbo didn't meet with her for 5 minutes and come out saying well, she won't budge on her red lines so this is pointless - thus depriving her of the line that he's "playing games"?

my take was why the fuck should he play along with her bad faith PR exercise when her government had just suffered an unprecedented defeat and should - by all rights - be subject to hellfire from the press and parliament

stephen bush's take was probably more sensible:
But the longer you look at the overall row, the harder it becomes to claim that the politics aren’t deeply toxic for the Labour Party in general and Jeremy Corbyn in particular. It is in the newsbreaks between songs on music radio that ordinary voters are won and lost, and Labour’s side of the story doesn’t translate well in that format. “Jeremy Corbyn has refused to join negotiations with Theresa May until the threat of no deal is off the table” sounds particularly bad because people tend to like the idea of cross-party co-operation in the abstract, and most don’t really know what “no deal” means. No wonder that according to YouGov, a majority of voters, including Remain voters, and a plurality of Labour voters, think that Corbyn should enter into talks without preconditions.

Can't see anybody on either side of the What Would Jezzus Do debate changing their opinion based on him acting out paying homage to her tbh

It wouldn't have made any practical difference, and the game he's playing is that he gets to point out that all she had to do was rule out something that's clearly nuts, but which she can't do because she's in hock to the lunatics in her party.

xp NV OTM

As far as I can tell, he’d been willing to meet and had been saying so since Parliament returned from summer recess, and had always wanted a no-deal promise. After the Parliamentary defeat and VONC she invited the minor party leaders to Downing Street, but snubbed him and even the New Lab types were pissed off about that. Then May finally invited him and got a big nope, because everyone who did see her said she wasn’t budging from her deal and instead of doing normal human interaction, was reading from a script.

greens, LDs and SNP made to look like mugs too ultimately - handing TM a slight PR coup ('she's reaching across the aisle etc etc')

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxwqGB3X0AA_z6u.jpg:large

I am not sure why I started thinking about centrist parties in the park earlier.

tonybler’s pal has done a thought again

The nations we admire tell us something about the character of our politics. Why decline is intrinsic in places governed like Venezuela: https://t.co/P3Eogfj0Wl

— Philip Collins (@PCollinsTimes) January 24, 2019

But Brazil is awesome!

at least some people are considerate enough to build a free cable car system whilst completely scuttling the economy.

I am following the situation in the UK carefully. jeremy corbyn has widespread support among britons. the political crisis has gone on long enough. now is the time to find a way forward that leads to a non-disastrous solution for all britons

and how would Corbyn be part of that exactly

the admiration of chavismo from parts of the european left, including Corbyn but also for example prominent members of Podemos, is a bit of a fucking riddy tbh

Corbyn can't help being not as an amazingly clever + dynamic politician as Sturgeon who sheds 14 seats to Tories and aids and abets a sex offender, but at least speaks in a manner on brexit that is pleasing to all the fantasist people's vote eejits.

am not an SNP supporter

i voted labour in the last GE

I'm not trying to say Corbyn is above criticism, but I don't care about his opinions on Chavism - just as much as I couldn't give a fuck about May on Trump or the fucking LibDems/Labour Melts on macron.

There is much more important stuff I'm voting against, that was started by New Labour and refined to new levels of evil by Cameron/May.

the thing with corbyn is that he and the portion of labour that is behind him is pretty much, as someone said on twitter, the only person proposing redistribution of wealth and avoiding endless war.

this means 1) that some on the left can too much reify him as a personality 2) people who don’t like him tend to go in ad hominem. it really fritzes their understanding about what is and isn’t relevant.

but as calz says, who gives a fuck about corbyn qua corbyn if there’s a labour party who will be doing something to redress the last ten years of austerity, correct the ideology or lack of it that encouraged and abetted the iraq war, and refeamecthe role of private money in the public realm.

*reframe the role

one important narrative point in this is that the 2007/8 crash exists outside what public policy could reasonably have managed (other than in the way Gordon Brown did in terms of response) and that the “response” to the crash by the Tories was to see it as an opportunity to pursue their radical ideology of shrinking the state and carrying out their own transferral of wealth to the already wealthy.

liam byrne’s letter deserves to be a museum artefact in this respect - i still no plenty of people who think labour crashed the economy in 2007 thru overspending. austerity-as-household budget is the natural and equally incorrect corollary of that.

this all matters because if you see ideology in the last ten years, you can see corbyn in a meaningful context. if you don’t then you are v ripe for STOP THIS DANGEROUS CHAVISTA.

For the life of me I don’t know why Labour didn’t push back at all on the Byrne letter (it’s a dumb handover tradition going back decades, which I believe was started by Tories) and while I’m sure David Cameron would still have brandished it in 2015, he would have looked more of a dick for doing so.

I've still heard a few fools quoting that letter on Any Questions, even just 18 months back. I think they've realised it's tapped out now, but yeah it is such patent bollox, but there seemed to be some kind of cowardly paralysis preventing Labour '15 from challenging it and subsequently it probably did damage.

The cunts still go on about the Winter of Discontent FORTY YEARS later. So I expect some little Tory squirt will be bringing up Liam Byrne on 2030 or whenever.

Cal & Fizzles otm re: Corbyn. There are so many things that bother me about him, but I vote for policies and he was the only person offering something that wasn’t more of the same shit shovelled up. I think a lot of his most vociferous defenders on twitter and the like are people who themselves are desperate for change in a very literal sense, and that’s why they have the bunker mentality. If you’re going on about his dodgy foreign policy positions or whatever, that must seem a luxury to someone who’s felt the sharp end of eight years of Tory policies.

Also a problem: he gets attacked by liberals many of us assumed were more left than is now obvious, and those same liberals very much take a ‘look what you made me do, it’s your fault I’m now POLITICALLY HOMELESS’ approach when dealing with the provincial/non-bourgeois left Labour voter.

xxp not to mention re the 70s it seems like a lot of people conflate the early 70s blackouts and strikes with the Winter of Discontent and think it was all under Labour