I wouldn't go out of your way, no
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link
if you wanna see a vaguely trippy remix of things alex garland half-remembered from the first book and other stuff he made up himself which don't add a great deal to the story, go for it
some of the visuals are cool, tho, and as someone said upthread it, i think, it nails the book's descriptions of the southern reach itself
― “I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
It's a goofy mess, but so many films I liked this year (ahem Sorry to Bother You) were. Vastly preferable to the stiff, solemn Ex-Machina.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
stby was a mess, yeah, but it had a very clear point of view and it was entertainingly delivered
annihilation was a series of sludgy vignettes and occasionally arresting visuals that added up to... not much
― “I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link
Annihilation and Sorry to Bother You are good analogues in that both are artfully rendered disappointing implosions with poorly defined ideas, bad execution and a desire to tell a lot more than they show.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
I'd hesitate to mention them in the same sentence.
I liked Annihilation, mostly because I like Stalker-like introspective adventure-mysteries. Its a bit surprising that it was immediately critically dismissed given its a film about competent women in STEM careers, utterly flattening the Bechtel test. The soundtrack is superb (and worth a d/l). Yes, its the worst Janet Jason Leigh performance of the past decade, and the set pieces ape later day Pink Floyd album artwork or lesser H.R. Giger. But I was happy to be along for the ride.
I loved Sorry to Bother You, which I finally saw last night (the US blu is $10). It's intentionally shambolic, not unlike Michel Gondry, but it has a lot more going on under the hood, and I think its going to inspire a generation of filmmakers. I will rewatch, but it really does a remarkable high-wire act of exposing the lives of the working poor, critiquing modern capitalism, and remaining laugh out loud funny throughout.
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Vastly preferable to the stiff, solemn Ex-Machina.
no way
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
xp: That said, Tessa Thomson is great in both, in wholly different roles. She may just save Westworld S3 from disappearing up its own arse. .
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
I am enjoying how much everything in the last 2-3 years, despite being terrible, is really playing up how much we mindlessly were giving men money and accolades for empty fucking visions.
It's a goofy mess, but so many films I liked this year (ahem /Sorry to Bother You/) were. Vastly preferable to the stiff, solemn /Ex-Machina/.
/Vastly preferable to the stiff, solemn Ex-Machina./no way
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
Dirty Work, yum
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
lol whoops that's what i get for posting from mobile
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link
i liked this well enough. I certainly found the visuals very memorable. I read the book afterward, and liked that as well. I canj't say I'm enjoying the second book much at all though.
― akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link
more for the weird fiction thread but yeah...
as a reader of the weird vandemeer is extraordinary - he's read everything and thought as deeply as anyone living about what makes it tick and out of that has developed some really deep and powerful concepts of his own.
as a writer of the weird... he's either not interested in spinning a yarn or writing compelling sentences, or not capable. the first southern reach book is probably as close as he's ever come to doing justice to his own vision.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
I preferred Borne to the Southern Reach books. Seemed like he was having more fun
― Number None, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
def seemed like he was having more fun but also like the pages evaporated as you read them... left absolutely no impression
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
sanpaku you may have misunderstood the bechtel test, considering portman's only apparent motivation is figuring out what happened to her man
― the late great, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:58 (five years ago) link
dykes to watch out fort
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
sic did u make it to Fun Home the musical when it went up here? I saw it on Broadway and liked it quite a bit
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link
ehhh, I think Portman's character goes on the expedition as a sort of penance. Not strictly for her infidelity, but there's something inherently broken with her life. not that I'm pulling that out of thin air, it's pretty much spelled out
I appreciated this a lot more than others here, but perhaps because the openness in the plot worked for me -- it's a group that's looking for answers and the area they go into seems purpose-made to dissect the sense of self
― mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:52 (five years ago) link
I assume you mean Funt Home, the bioplay about the loveable Candid Camera creator
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:58 (five years ago) link
xp: The Bechtel test criterion, as I understand it, is is simply that two women talk about something other than a man. That so few movies pass even this minimal test is an indictment of the film industry.
Whether Portman's character is motivated by the disappearance of Issac's character doesn't really enter into it.
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:12 (five years ago) link
it’s called the bechdel test, folks
― “I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
Is this the test to determine whether a particular movie has the right ratio of white roux and milk?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:25 (five years ago) link
Sorry, not the most important "bechXel" in my life experience. Also, I'll blame muscle memory for all my sins.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/Bechtel_logo.svg/440px-Bechtel_logo.svg.png
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:31 (five years ago) link
I believe thats the color the company wants to leave the seas with...
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:32 (five years ago) link
Fun Home is great but left me a bawling mess
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link
oh yeah sorry too many nights studying at (the same) bechtel hall
― the late great, Thursday, 24 January 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
haven't read books
really liked this, would happily fight most of ye about it tomorrow.
ito ex machina, arrival, this comparisons they were all good-to-great tbh
thought themes/metaphors were obvious and done very plainly, but more than reasonably deftly. maybe a long time since i found a 'do u see' message within a psychological/fantasy refreshing and resonant as opposed to being a showy frustrating reveal
portman is a bad actress tho this is true
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 00:49 (four years ago) link
good book that was screaming to be turned into a movie.
now that I've read the book I find this sentiment baffling. Like Naked Lunch or Crash or The Story of Your Life, I feel the opposite - that it's screaming *not* to be made into a movie. so much internalized narrative, with a fixation on the inaccuracy of perceptions/senses, and the non-linear structure (ok I guess you could just jump-cut between a lot of flashbacks but...)
The book is way better, obviously.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
I just watched this yesterday since I really liked the books. I wish someone had pushed the novel into the hands of David Lynch, as I feel he would have accurately translated what I liked about the novel: identities slipping away, the detached tone of the narration, the increasing strangeness of Area X (not just visually, but the off-ness of even the mundane parts of the environment). Maybe would have been better as a high budget tv series, where it could linger awhile.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
I just don't think film is the ideal medium for unreliable-narrator-syndrome type narratives
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
I'm trying to think of film examples where it's done successfully but usually they involve dumb gotcha/reveal endings (Usual Suspects, Fight Club, etc.)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
Not a huge Vandermeer fan, but I was pleased by this today:
Wow. Nice one, Dan Simmons. What a jerk. pic.twitter.com/6VKCFPvU6a— Jeff VanderMeer (@jeffvandermeer) September 25, 2019
Our generation of speculative fiction fans really need to view past generations of right-wing anti-environment sci-fi authors with a critical eye.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
didn't realize simmons was a right wing loon. that's ok though because i could barely finish Hyperion and it's sequel and decided he is not for me.
― akm, Thursday, 26 September 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
apparently he’s always personally been an asshole but was of many who ramped it up and took it public after 2001
― mh, Friday, 27 September 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
Loved Hyperion/Endymion and some of his other books even though he's a right wing loon.
Flashback however is fucking abysmal and the one where his shitty views are on prominent display.
― groovypanda, Friday, 27 September 2019 09:06 (four years ago) link
Needing some distraction from the news, so I'm watching Annihilation again...geez, why does it start out like Arrival, fer fuck's sake...?!?— Jeff VanderMeer (@jeffvandermeer) January 4, 2020
Personally, I think the director had things he wanted to address that included Stalker and my book was just a convenient vehicle for that. Which created complications for me, given my book is not at all influenced by Stalker/Roadside Picnic.— Jeff VanderMeer (@jeffvandermeer) January 4, 2020
― Number None, Saturday, 4 January 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link
that first tweet is a thread
not sure if serious
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 4 January 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
no, it’s definitely a thread
― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 4 January 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
New show from Alex Garland. Pretty sure I'll be watching this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoNloYTsH0Y&feature=youtu.be
― DJI, Friday, 10 January 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
"(Playback ID: 7MsQp_v670f9y-sv)" is an episode of Mr Robot iirc
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Friday, 10 January 2020 04:22 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8klax373ds
― groovypanda, Friday, 10 January 2020 07:42 (four years ago) link
interesting cast. dunno about longform fiction from this guy tho'.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 10 January 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
maybe it's fine in context but characters who say "nothing ever happens without a reason" (more usually "everything happens for a reason") and writers who write those characters can, unless the character is obviously meant to be a grade A idiot, fuck right off.the next line "everything is determined by something prior" - reasons are not causes.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
any talk about his new show Devs? just starting it
― just sayin, Saturday, 14 March 2020 08:35 (four years ago) link
“ my book is not at all influenced by Stalker/Roadside Picnic.”
sure brah
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 14 March 2020 09:16 (four years ago) link
yeah, the cancer without radiation is taken directly from roadside picnic.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 14 March 2020 09:32 (four years ago) link
Devs is getting a little more interesting. It feels like a cross between Ex Machina and a few others, with a slow roll-out
― mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link
I’m really digging Devs. The camera work is gorgeous, and I think some of it is shot at UCSC. Don’t want to spoil anything though.
― DJI, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link