the alt-right

pretty sure most all of us want the benefits of a more socialist society to benefit everybody, even the people we don't like

the MAGA wearing psychos yelling rape threats at women

Was there a source reporting this? I saw a video on Twitter where I can hear them yelling "MAGA" at a woman and she added that she could hear them yelling "build the wall".

telling people they’re racist isn’t really anti racism though if they’re not willing to listen

thats pretty much the history of racism in a nutshell though isnt it, people experiencing it describing something happening to them & everyone who isn't doing the racism basically saying they can't hear it

*everyone else who isn't

yes you don’t have to tell me

anyway i think people will find in the long run that “anti racism” tactics that make racists look like victims will turn off more persuadables than you manage to sweep up while mobilizing the faithful

“while” should say “by”

^

So this "Vietnam Vet" served as an electrician in....Kansas and Nebraska?

I guess in the CNN interview he does say "Vietnam times vet" and not Vietnam vet

xxp dont get me wrong i don't think this was a great day for anti racism or something (or great... three days).

but also like ... this wasnt an event controlled by political strategists or something. it was a media clusterfuck and most ppl i see aren't concerned w/ properly prosecuting the teen for racism as they are annoyed by media framing & exploitation of his racism for ratings

Wondering if some percentage of the population, same that can't tell a fake smile from a real one, is also incapable of telling a smug smirk from a friendly smile, said percentage also being heavily concentrated among reactionary conservatives

I'm reminded of the thread on smuggest album covers on ILM, where hardly any of the covers are smug.

anyway i think people will find in the long run that “anti racism” tactics that make racists look like victims will turn off more persuadables than you manage to sweep up while mobilizing the faithful

and give racists the platform they need. people are building entire careers in media and politics on the the outraged online reactions of their enemies. it would appear that is a p key component in how fascism works today.

for that matter ... how much can we rely on 'persuadables' if they're perpetually vulnerable to racial appeals? it seems to me anti-racisms focus is abt compelling strategies that undermine the effectiveness of right wing racial appeals, which isn't the same as trying to step lightly around race, albeit also probably not abt falling totally for the bait during these flashpoint moments

idk, i would say i'm pretty ... pessimistic abt how one goes about doing that at this point. but anything less than that feels like a trap

People who have the energy for moral outrage can be directed to use that energy for something practical too--they can be/get organized. How can more of that happen?

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit)

i don't know how that happens without people who are already committed putting in a lot of work. people have to be taught the skills involved, often mentored.

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i would like to again express my displeasure with any strategy that involves conscious avoidance of _provoking_ racist demagogues. this seems to me like an implicitly or explicitly victim-blaming strategy.

did someone use the word 'provoking'

is that how de-platforming works fernando?

because last i checked not only was this kid not deplatformed, he ended up on the today show

i would like to again express my displeasure with any strategy that involves conscious avoidance of _provoking_ racist demagogues. this seems to me like an implicitly or explicitly victim-blaming strategy.

― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just to bolster this point, demos just did a fresh study that i presented on yesterday indicating that frames that alienate the firm opposition track with increased support from our base (as distinct from ourselves, advocates) & the mixed-views persuadables.

what

lol

messages that alienate our opponents are not a bad thing but a good thing xp

i think what's good is that sort of wide-ranging policy-based message, vs the singling-out of people or small groups of people who do something that offends the left's sensibilities. i think the former leads to the base galvanizing and becoming stronger, and the latter leads to people rushing to someone's defense and a bullshit redemption arc that winds up being more of a validation.

xp you know i wasnt zinging you i just literally could not parse that f

haha yeah i read it again and i couldn't parse it either

i would agree but the relationship is not causal or direct, i.e. the things that most outrage "our" "enemies" are not necessarily best at galvanizing "our" "base"

Different things with different messengers appeal to different people.

I was just thinking that a big grievance towards most politicians, parties, people with any sort of power, your friends and neighbors, is that they have distinctly been avoiding even acknowledging racism/sexism for our entire lives. This is why I often hear that white people will never, ever truly be an ally, forget them, look after your own.

the things that most outrage "our" "enemies" are not necessarily best at galvanizing "our" "base"

― the late great, Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:19 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree, but what i'm getting at by highlighting the point is that i don't think we should let alienating the opposition stop us from using messaging that galvanizes the left base -- and, separately, it seems to me that making them howl marginalizes them further from the general public.

I recommend ash sarkar's interview with hbomberguy on novara abt his recent marathon donkey kong 64 twitch fundraiser and one of the things he talks abt is how part of what helped such a large group of ppl suggest was having graham linehan as a hate figure. i think ppl often underestimate how effective a negative focus like that can be in helping a group rally

hbomberguy on novara abt his recent marathon donkey kong 64 twitch fundraiser a

damn i must be old -- is this english?

it's ok to have bad people angry at you

damn i must be old -- is this english?

― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy)

does this mean i'm young for understanding it? (i'm not young)

i think you should take it! :)

c'mon Gummy I'm 52 and have never used Twitch and am not a gamer and even I know what all that means

donkey kong 64 is 20 years old

donkey kong 84

Imagine a prehensile foot stamping on Mario's face...forever

Native American activist Nathan Phillips has a criminal record https://t.co/EOUOoeu1Mb pic.twitter.com/2Efl6qWjMY

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holy shit that chud PR firm is good

Have we discussed anywhere this guy taking a guilty plea to a terrorism charge? Hope this clears the way for more accurate labeling of white supremacist terrorists as they are charged in our justice system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/nyregion/timothy-caughman-white-supremacist-guilty.html

this week's ep on Covington

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

i sense a great disturbance in the force

https://preview.redd.it/e4ganyea02d21.jpg?width=720&auto=webp&s=b44cb54f37db50f0f6fe43a52f7356122bf3d763

Sounds like the plot to Michel Houellebecq's Submission.

The fuck is he talking about 11 year olds dancing? I missed this particular piece of propaganda.

A supposedly autistic 11 year old boy in drag danced at a gay bar in NYC, patrons threw money at him, deplorables are losing their minds on Twitter, Infowars, the Daily Wire, Breitbart, LifeSite, etc.

A supposedly autistic 11 year old boy in drag danced at a gay bar in NYC, patrons threw money at him
???
Sharia law!

i for one am looking forward to weird mike's blockbuster new book sharia mindset

Tbf there's always been a horseshoe effect between the Western far-right and rigourist Islam.

Someone should tell them about the dancing boys in Afghanistan

The way that was written I thought this boy was randomly put on stage and dressed up, he's a legit drag performer.