"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

I think quite a lot of ppl who voted remain think it's no longer viable

Uh-huh.

Remain is still non-viable for Labour to back but I think it becomes very viable once on a ballot or as a default in case of no agreement.

Chris Williamson, helpful as always, popped up earlier today to tell the world that he's pretty chill about a No Deal Brexit.

Fucking idiot already has the deathly pallor of some insect eating creepazoid, so I'm sure he's totally chill about no deal.

Any attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised @StandUp4Brexit

— Daniel Kawczynski (@DKShrewsbury) January 22, 2019

Xp Sir you're describing the entire NuLab ethos

dyson's are shite anyway. buy miele

Buy Henry!

As a goodbye to Dyson from the UK here’s my tribute to his horrible hand-dryer. From ⁦@iconeye⁩ 164 pic.twitter.com/QeNw2NfZVG

— edwin heathcote (@edwinheathcote) January 22, 2019

When you need to hoover up some rubble I'm a pure Dewalt user myself, but apparently Dyson are shit at blowing piss of drunk ppls hands as well.

I'm not entirely convinced that the Polish government, with thousands of citizens over here, will be greatly swayed by the Member of Parliament for Shrewsbury.

dyson vacuum cleaners are quite good. the hand-dryers are bobbins. the hand-dryers ATTACHED EITHER SIDE OF THE TAP that they make are one of the dumbest things I've ever encountered

Lmao, so Daniel Kawcynski is asking the EU to bypass England's sovereignty

I was gonna say

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8257029/

this would be wild af

praesee for libcuck who doesn't want to click on the sun

THE Tories will lose a snap general election because they are woefully underprepared to fight one, party chiefs have concluded.

Senior Conservative officials have privately warned Theresa May that she could face disaster if she calls a new nationwide poll to try to unblock the Brexit logjam.

Secret party projections instead put Jeremy Corbyn in No10, at the helm of a rainbow coalition government including the SNP and the Lib Dems.

In another blow for the PM’s prospects, new research carried out by a senior former No10 adviser to Mrs May has revealed dozens of sitting Tory MPs are facing ultra tight marginal races.
The alarm-bell internal Conservative Party assessment – whose findings have been shared with The Sun – reveals:

The Tories’ data base of voters nationwide is badly out of date and now far behind Labour’s, having seen little update since 2015.
The party’s grass roots membership is badly demoralised, after many months of infighting with CCHQ over money and structural reforms.
The Tories currently don’t even have an opinion polling firm under contract – seen as all-important to fight any election – with a tender currently out to hire a new one.
With its massive new army of close to 500,000 members, Labour are now seen to severely outgun the Tories and have deployed them to compile a substantial database of voters to target in any ‘ground war’.

The bombshell comes after some Tory MPs have begun to call for a snap election to solve the Brexit deadlock in Parliament, preferring it to a second referendum.

when is the deadline for announcing no deal as official policy

My God, the unnamed senior minister quote:

“If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory.”

it's not so much about voting the tories out tbf, it's about never voting them back in again

But, according to Fiona Bruce and the BBC (aka the propaganda wing of Conservative Central Office), they're comfortably ahead in the polls.

dozens of sitting Tory MPs are facing ultra tight marginal races.

I fucking hate the cunts but we really need a Lib Dem revival to unseat a few of these.

Anyway, it's all cloud cuckoo stuff, they're not going anywhere near a GE any time soon.

I was more intrigued by the Scotland stuff because afaict Labour still polls really badly up there? I do remember Corbyn getting a good reception in 2017 though despite SLab’s awful performance.

I don't think it's changed that much since the last election. The Tories are hoovering up the Billy Boy vote and SLab are making no inroads into the SNP vote.

not sure how you'd make significant inroads into supporters of the independence party without adding independence to your plank

... scratch that, current predictions have Labour winning 2 seats, lol.

And even though I'm a Labour Party member, I still will probably ed up voting SNP because Labour never do anything in NE Fife, so in order to keep the tories/LDs out...

plank platform (though I know you call them manifestos, which is delightful)

They managed it for about 80 years up until 2015.

After some rapid googling, I note polling suggesting only half of SNP voters could only vote for a party that wants Scotland to be independent. The rest would prefer to vote for a party that wants Scotland to be independent, but it's not a deal breaker, or else they don't care about the party's stance on Scottish independence.

I was more intrigued by the Scotland stuff because afaict Labour still polls really badly up there? I do remember Corbyn getting a good reception in 2017 though despite SLab’s awful performance.

― gyac, Wednesday, January 23, 2019 12:40 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I’ve been saying....

much like the UK polls, the scottish polling isn’t telling the full story. there are a number of seats which were supermajorities in 15 that are tight marginals in 19. SLAB are quite unreconstructed, having resisted the ground up change of UKLAB, but the corbyn effect /will/ peel off soft independence voters who threw their hat in on that in the hope of social democracy/democratic soc.

they should attract some unionist voters too, as the CONS are tainted by association w the UK branch

it is a very valid crit of corbyn tho that he doesn’t really get scotland and the 17 manifesto never really had an offer

The bad news is that a mere one-point swing from the Conservatives to Labour would see them lose 15 seats: Southampton Itchen, Pudsey, Hastings and Rye, Chipping Barnet, Thurrock, Preseli Pembrokeshire, Calder Valley, Norwich North, Broxtowe, Stoke-on-Trent South, Telford, Bolton West, Aberconwy, Northampton North and Hendon. In addition, a further 21 seats would fall to Labour if they can replicate their 2017 swing, which was in of itself only their fifth-best since 1945.

A 5.4 per cent swing now would mean a Labour majority of one, even assuming no gains in Scotland. The reality is that the SNP position is so fragile that even in the event that Labour were to gain no votes directly from the Scottish nationalists, a 5.4 per cent swing from Tory to Labour north of the border would add an extra 14 seats to the Labour tally – meaning that a 5.4 per cent swing would likely secure a Labour majority of 28.

To put the ease of Labour’s challenge into perspective: if they replicated any of the swings from Tory to Labour while they have been in opposition since 1964, they will be in office, albeit in some kind of ragbag coalition.

‘the bad news’

Meanwhile Leave will 100% win any second referendum if they can't find better people to run the Remain campaign than this lot:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/the-campaign-for-a-peoples-vote-on-brexit-has-descended

Funny how sensible bipartisanship is so much easier on paper than in practice.

“Hardliners alarmed by delay reconsider May’s deal”

I’d trust these guys as far as I could throw them

Ty for context on Scotland, Tom & |||||||| (how do you even say that username?!)

People are so negative about labour and I would tend to be that way inclined too; I still remember the 2017 shock when the exit poll came out!

I don’t want to overplay how successful labour may be at the next GE. scottish politics is v different to the UK, with the added complicating nationalist/unionist fissure. there is also still a LOT of resentment at continuity_SLAB who treated a lot of scotland as their own little personal fiefdom, characterised by endemic backscratching and complacency.

... just cautioning - given the low swing needed to take a bloc of SNP seats - it’s not unfeasible that they do better in scotland they than predicted.

anecdotally - I voted for independence, principally because I thought WM was unsalvageable and democratic socialism impossible w the labour party as it was constructed then*. the election of corbyn to the labour leadership changed that calculation/perception. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the left that threw their hat in with the SNP post-14 feel the same.

*I mean - it still is to an extent (corbyn is a bug not a feature) though it is changing

It’s been a while, so here’s some galaxy brain thinking from CH comments:

1) It’s Theresa May that loves the IRA!

Corbyn won that. T May used terrorism yet again. I still do not see how she can think this is sane behaviour. Threats are used by her of terrorism that resulted from a minority that did not want overseas rule. This has been played out to cause the permanent overseas rule of the whole UK by a third power.

Corbyn talked to terrorists and provided legitimacy, but T May has given them the ultimate reward of political change based on their non-democratic means.

The 1998 agreement explicitly recognised that democratic change was the only way forward. That principle has now been defeated.

2) TM is getting inspiration from the home of conservatism!

"Jeremy Corbyn "was willing to sit down with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA... "

This looks very familiar. Didn't someone commenting here make this very same point almost word for word?

Do you think Theresa May and her staff are reading ConHome to look for material?

3) “there are too many states nowadays, please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot!”

All I've received from Brandon Lewis and his predecessor are messages detailing the Party’s ‘achievements’ and endless requests to ‘Donate’.

In my opinion, there are too many Ministers. How did we ever manage in the past without Equality, Loneliness, Womems, etc. Ministers? They are just ‘make jobs’, which are costing the taxpayer dear. Time for a cull.

4) A charming metaphor:

Maybe the loss of 100 or so seats and a few years in opposition might teach the idiots who have presided over the party the last few years a thing or two. That's certainly a sentiment I hear from "Conservative abstainers", who are a massive lump of the electorate, and a very difficult one to track at present.

5) What young voter problem?

The campaign team will need to dredge up the first era of Corbyn this time. Yesterday it was 40 years exactly since rubbish was piling up in my then 90 year old Nan's council tower block so that the stench was in her flat. She was climbing up six flights of steps every day to get home because the lift maintenance men were on strike.

The lifts were genuinely out of order because of urine. The Clash's "Up in Heaven (Not Only Here)" references this : perhaps ask Mick Jones's cousin Grant Shapps. Anyhow, luckily she lasted for a few more years and we were able to bury her unlike those whose relatives sadly passed away at the time.

So there is plenty to work with here. I suggest a British campaign team who understand because they were actually there an the slogan "Labour Was Never Working". A lot of graphic pictures obviously. It is an outrage that this wasn't done in 2017 and the fact that it wasn't done is 90% of the reason for the current mess.

5) (I think? Can’t scroll up) Huh?

Cameron and his chums decided that the Conservative Party did not require members (who were anyway Turnip Taliban and/or bigoted homophobic xenophobes) but rather only donors. The Conservative Party has now lost most of its crony capitalist EU supporting cheap immigrant employing donors too. Hence the existential crisis.

Advance to 1797? I hope not but someone had better do something quick.

6) Good Lord

It needs an election and a referendum on the same day, to avoid the two issues getting muddled by party politics.

7) I hope this is the feeling with the wider membership!

The British people are an awkward bunch. When a party looks tired and incompetent the British people always decide to give the other lot a go. Well we can peddle fear about Corbyn all we like, but the fact of the matter is that our Conservative government has failed us all. It is a shambles, led by a woman who is all over the place, and completely out her depth. It's a nightmare. It has to end.
The only gleam of hope I see at present was listening to Michael Gove summing up the recent debate. It's nothing to do with the issue really. It was his passion, and his execution of the speech. This is perhaps a man who might just have the opportunity soon to take over, and get a grip. Is there any chance of it, or must we be trapped in this continuing dance macabre?

Womems

Bigoted homophobic xenophobes, as opposed to the other sort.

Love to see Tories whinge.

nationalise james ball

At a time when we really need to calm down businesses to protect jobs and wages from fleeing, Tories are telling them to sit down and shut up, and Labourites are making ‘hilarious’ ‘jokes’ about randomly nationalising them.

What. A. Fucking. Shower.

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 23, 2019

The campaign team will need to dredge up the first era of Corbyn this time. Yesterday it was 40 years exactly since rubbish was piling up in my then 90 year old Nan's council tower block so that the stench was in her flat.

If my arithmetic is correct this contributor's Nan was born the same year as Adolf Hitler.

I bet they share a few other similarities.

Xp HE IS SO AWFUL JFC

Jeremy Corbyn nationalising Freddos wouldn't be so funny if it didn't communicate with a winking smile between folks spreading the joke that nationalising things is good. It's a sincere position we're joking about, taken to ridiculous heights maybe, but it's still sincere. pic.twitter.com/qkbQJpHq86

— [Unidentified Caller] (@CaseyExplosion) March 29, 2018

Michael Gove ... is perhaps a man who might just have the opportunity soon to take over, and get a grip. Is there any chance of it

Suspect the mysterious disappearance of his anti-GFA pamphlet from its publisher's website might mean someone thinks so:

In 2000 Michael Gove wrote a pamphlet for the Centre for Policy Studies, "The Price of Peace", attacking the Belfast Peace Agreement. Since then, the pamphlet has mysteriously disappeared from the CPS website. Here is it: https://t.co/7M4wLGStnx (h/t @kronoc

— Brian Tutt (@tutt_brian) January 17, 2019

LOL @ the idea that Gove appeals to anyone who isn't a member of the Conservative Party.

buried lede

Has the Labour Party ever been quite such a broad church? And will its ever-widening breadth eventually lead to a split? https://t.co/pWThwEspcs

— Robert Peston (@Peston) January 23, 2019

blaaaaarf

Bolsonaro has many legitimate concerns tbfttl

Alex Salmond arrested.