Public Shaming C/D?

Watch out for that stick he's carrying though.

Stick or shtick?

aimless: vigilante flailing in an attempt to shore up the extent to which our law/society fails to adequately address malignant transgressive behavior.

― E Pluripubis Unum (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 16:02 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think he should adopt this persona fwiw

Make it a case study then— Public shaming is about making the truth of someone’s actions widely known. Here’s the video of the chud kids (“full video” or not, take your pick, they don’t come off any better in any version) everybody, here they are captured on film. They aren’t being publicly shamed so much as bringing shame upon themselves

Same thing with dragging a maga hat wearing child into the public square.

Resolved: That a rich Catholic school boy who got bused in with a whole bunch of other rich Catholic school boys to stand around Washington DC telling women they shouldn't be allowed to get abortions didn't get "dragged into" shit.

I think a degree of self-shaming is necessary as a corrective against antisocial behavior but what do you do in a world where a generation of people have watched other people coast to fame (and the White House) on a wave of shamelessness, thus blunting much of the impact and the impetus of shaming?

ie is shame a concept that mostly only holds water with us olds?

eliza d otm.

It’s not about making them feel bad. If the chud kids have a hard time getting into colleges, finding girlfriends, getting jobs, then the public shaming worked.

I feel the same about all convicted felons

I feel like shaming when Cee-Lo says "it's not rape if you don't remember" is valid and necessary.

Public shaming for an unintentional, minor transgression by an individual, less helpful than teachable moment.

Former more common than latter.

MAGA kid can't claim he and his cohorts wore MAGA hats in a very public place, took of their shirts and showed their asses in public, then act like they have any expectation of privacy. Wah wah.

Felons have never had the option of pretending they aren’t felons. Shaming forces everyone to take that same responsibility for their words and actions

I’m trying to agree find common ground with the Captain Save-a-MAGAs: we won’t shame him if we can all agree that he needs that smirk punched off his face (a la Spencer) at 12:01am on his 18th Birthday.

No one is saying the kid is a cool guy, just that it’s weird for national publications like Slate to put someone so young on blast for smirking. It’s displaced anger. The chaperones are responsible for the behavior of the kids on the trip and the Republican Party is responsible for promoting a toxic, craven and bigoted form of politics across the nation.

Just to clarify, I’m ok with the chaperones getting punched also.

The chaperones are responsible for the behavior of the kids on the trip

FUCK no

No ones accusing them of a crime! Their being under 18 does absolutely nothing to excuse their actions

idk trís

totally emboldened asshole bigots dont spring fully formed at 18

v handwavey there about agency of this fella and the many like him

Felons have never had the option of pretending they aren’t felons. Shaming forces everyone to take that same responsibility for their words and actions

does no such option exist in america? in other countries it does. it's possible to show compassion towards criminals. people's behaviour has mitigating circumstances. otherwise why not just stone people to death or jail them for life? why have varying sentences? not sure the punitive mindset has functioned particularly well in dealing with people's bad behaviour yet it seems fairly popular in recent times.

I didn't know ILX to be such a staunch opponent of social determinism.

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Sorry menat to one up fernando

Like the kid only matters as an example. Do we want to resist right wing populism by zeroing in on one person at a time and pecking them to death? Would that even work? The live in their own spheres anyway and will just see one another more and more as victims.

We could peck more to death with A.I. birds

Now we're talkin'.

If you had the technology to peck every single trump supporter to death, that at least would have the benefit of being effective

It serves to marginalize them. It serves to reinforce the idea that what they did is and should be widely considered Wrong. It serves to prevent their behavior from becoming normalized.

I took a felony when I was much younger when I was charged with something I didn't do, and because I had no money to bail myself it was either plead guilty or sit in jail for months waiting for a trial at which I'd be defended by a PD and probably lose anyway on account of that. What island would you like me shipped to

mon over here rip and welcome

The one where they teach reading comprehension? Xpost

You seem like such a lovely guy, Dan

I like that you capitalized the W, Dan.

ah yes sorry and carry on

What island teaches that

This is perfectly emblematic of our disagreement! You apparently think there is something absurd or incorrect about the idea that a given behavior should be universally considered Wrong. I think there’s a categorical difference between good and evil—they’re not just two different sports teams xpost

Anyway that was kinda unnecessarily hostile Dan

Xpost

And that evil doesn’t need and doesn’t deserve to always have devils advocate walruses raising their hands from the back of the class

oh good we're getting somewhere, where's that list of whats good and whats evil again, fuckin handy reference that should really put it on the fridge tbh

dan are you new to ilx? maybe take a breather. ppl are discussing this in good faith and you're having a fucking meltdown bc they dare not to see things your way. we're not devils advocates or nazi sympathizers or sea lions or gaslighters if we don't sign onto your take. we're just ppl with different perspectives.

I pulled a felony from the tone police but I’m innocent y’all

bet you do a lot of smirking in yr life

Dan, you were just a jerk to rip van wanko when he shared something painful in his past. Should I write a slate article saying you’re a monster?

I do a lot of eye rolling atm

i thought you were mute in winter tbh

love it when a longtimer goes awry over some point of small-differences principle

walruses?

he meant sea lions

Ah yes I did mean sea lions

xpost I once rolled my eyes so hard a contact lens popped out.

this is why i don't wear contact lenses

this is why i watch Frozen Planet.