"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

I mean

it's time to take a stand pic.twitter.com/z5nvlNwEXt

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) October 5, 2016

what election are people most looking forward to, march or october?

Donald Tusk, the European council president, has claimed that David Cameron told him he thought he would never have to hold the referendum he promised because the Lib Dems would block it. In an interview for a BBC documentary, ‘Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil’, the first episode of which goes out a week today, Tusk said:

"I asked David Cameron, ‘Why did you decide on this referendum, this – it’s so dangerous, so even stupid, you know,’ and, he told me - and I was really amazed and even shocked - that the only reason was his own party, [He told me] he felt really safe, because he thought at the same time that there’s no risk of a referendum, because, his coalition partner, the Liberals, would block this idea of a referendum. But then, surprisingly, he won and there was no coalition partner. So paradoxically David Cameron became the real victim of his own victory."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tusk was right about Cameron then and he’s right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/23/polish-mps-ridicule-cameron-stupid-propaganda-eurosceptics

To be fair to the cunt no one thought the Tories were in with a chance of winning a majority when the idea was first proposed.

I was in a five-hour meeting today and didn’t keep up with Brexit and am now hopelessly adrift. Did anything happen? Plan B is Plan A: Brexit Boogaloo, right?

may hasnlooked into her heart to discern the will of the people and it's hard brexit with a side portion of fuck ireland an all

TM now claiming that all the political parties in NI are represented in opinion (dodging a pointed question about the GFA and how dealing with the only party that opposed it might affect that).

This is a really poor performance, just saying stuff like the Tories support workers rights.

A lot of feigned outrage here (and referring to the GFA as the Belfast agreement).

Fair play to the SNP, some good questions here.

I was p much where you were today Stet, and what I gathered from today was that, indeed, May has no fucking clue, no plan B, nothing.

"The Prime Minister says she wants to listen to" the most common sentence in the papers liveblogs today. It is just so weak, so completely void of ideas, or better yet, a true stance. She's hopelessly adrift.

(tinkering w/ the GFA seems already an abandoned srategy, less than 24h after it being called into question)

Gotta say I kinda love* that Prince Philip is driving around like a lunatic going fuck knows where while the country is on its knees.

*I will starting minding if he severely injures or kills someone.

what if that someone is

it's hope

I wish that overrated tosh with Scully playing M Thatcher would ditch the hagiography style and boldly portray Phillip as a fascist paedo-necrophilliac, trawling the morgues with Jimmy Savile and getting rat-arsed in his secret nazi-memorabilia chamber.

NEW: @YvetteCooperMP bill just out. Gives PM until Feb 26 to get her deal through. If she fails, Parliament will be able to direct next steps. Bill will give Parliament a vote to prevent No Deal & vote on whether to extend A50 and for how long. Backed by Boles, Letwin, Morgan pic.twitter.com/Ftvu0GuDi8

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) January 21, 2019

And... NEW: Labour tables own amendment, ruling out No Deal and with two options: 1) A Norway style arrangement with ‘comprehensive customs union’ anstrong single market deal’ 2) Option of a public vote > Corbyn wants option 1.... pic.twitter.com/2o0xTVknLk

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) January 21, 2019

can someone pls read the amendments and plug them into the 'wtf happens next model'

I agree with Corbyn. I’d take a Norway style arrangement if it was possible.

So I don't *think* that these two amendments are contradictory but I've completely lost track of what's going on. I'm assuming Dominic Grieve is going to chuck one on the pile as well.

fnar fnar. It's quite amusing that even some casual observers actually fucking know who Dominic Grieve is these days, aka the diaphanous nobody etc.

Beth Rigby's "vote on whether to extend article 50" bugs me, making it sound like the UK has the power to do this rather than just make a request to do so.

If Matt has lost track with what's going on, there's no hope for the rest of us.

Which EU nations are most likely to veto the request? Serious question. I guess Italy, maybe Hungary? Lots of nations won't want to make things difficult for their citizens over here.

I think revoke and reapply is an option as revoking can be done unilaterally so the EU can choose a short extension or two more years of this.

I'm worried that the more the loser's vote people continue to flex their rolodexes and talk loudly - all across the airwaves - about the necessity for a second referendum... the more leavers will become bitterly entrenched and a minority of a minority position - no deal - could become the most popular option amongst the leave-voting public. spite is a trip. particularly in a context where all of the other options seem irreducible and politicians incapable of sorting things out.

"shared institutions and obligations" and "dynamic alignment on rights and standards" sound like quite a soft brexit to me. second vote wording is interesting too. can envisage a scenario where labour electioneers on a manifesto to offer a ratification referendum for either formal confirmation of negotiated deal or considered rejection of the whole shebang

GE set up nicely

CON: we would have delivered Real Brexit if labour had respected democracy. vote for us and we will deliver Real Brexit, and restore faith in politics.

LAB: we would have delivered Sensible Brexit but that shambles wasted 2 years now it's impossible. vote for us and we will rebuild our shattered political and economic institutions. we will seek a new deal with the EU and let people have the final say on the question once and for all

"shared institutions and obligations" = ECJ and FOM-by-another-name?

they've been being a bit cute on FOM ("FOM will end when we leave") in much the same way they were cute about "A customs union / THE customs union".

i just want a no deal is better than a bad deal red white and blue brexit is that too much to ask blimey

I agree with Corbyn. I’d take a Norway style arrangement if it was possible.

― gyac, Monday, January 21, 2019 9:50 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But it's not possible.

Which EU nations are most likely to veto the request? Serious question. I guess Italy, maybe Hungary? Lots of nations won't want to make things difficult for their citizens over here.

― Matt DC, Monday, January 21, 2019 10:43 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah. Both Italy and Hungary have bigger fish to fry w/ the EU than Brexit. They need all the leverage they can get to oppose the EU w/r/t their own problems. Brexit is a nuisance, but not a very important one for all 27 in the end.

whats impossible about norway style deal

norway dunna want the uk entering their deal (do they have a say then? yes they do. repeat of up-thread)

ofcourse the uk can broker their own norway "style" deal. except they can't and never will, bcz lol uk.

yeah

idk why when anyone suggests norway type deal ppl immediately jump to that. its nonsense. norway didn't trademark their negotiation stance.

I feel asleep watching parliament this afternoon. Am I right in saying it can all be summed up with "well that's another week gone, any questions?"

except they can't and never will, bcz lol uk.

Speaking of, we got one of those weird Wetherspoons magazines with his face on the cover through the door today, and idk how much your average voter would be able to put a name to his face?

i wouldnt be able to put a ne on it but id know him from dodgeball as that pirate lad

norway-style satisfies roughly 0% of brexit voters surely (it includes FoM)?

idk why when anyone suggests norway type deal ppl immediately jump to that. its nonsense. norway didn't trademark their negotiation stance.

― topical mlady (darraghmac), Monday, January 21, 2019 11:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Do you know what "norway type deal" means tho? What does it mean, do you think? May doesn't know what it means, that's for sure. Neither do her minions, as few as their are left.. It's a cop out. Don't suggest it if you don't know what it is imo. It's utopia for UK.

I’d like to put a great big ACME anvil to his face, so there’s that...

norway-style satisfies roughly 0% of brexit voters surely (it includes FoM)?

xp whyyyy?!

There is no way the EU all of a sudden will agree to a Norway style deal for the UK. Not because the UK aggressively chose to leave the EU. This shouldn't be hard to understand. No rewards for countries leaving the pact etc

Yes, there's that too

Some form of soft brexit is the only thing that could ever get a parliamentary majority. Which will be seen as an historic betrayal on the part of the hard brexiteers and the whole thing will go on and on and on for another generation at least, permnently destabilising any government without a thumping majority. There is no escaping the brexit hell.

No? They’ll have to pay in but they won’t be able to veto things like the steel dumping plan and obvs solves the border issue. Seems a better scenario than a no deal crash out.

is it possibly the case that this crap deal that just got voted down was the best case scenario?

The crap deal wasn't really a deal though. It was the basis for discussing a deal during a transition period

But maybe that was as good as it gets

norway-style satisfies roughly 0% of brexit voters surely (it includes FoM)?

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 January 2019 23:03 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*tony blair hands* let me be clear. fuck brexit voters

lbi, i think its on you not to dictate that a customs union etc "norway type" deal isnt possible when it very clearly is. the description is quite obv imo a handy way of depicting a soft brexit that eliminates the need for eg backstop

i also think its quite likely to have a lot more legs with the eu than suggested. the eu has been very clear that it wants a deal and its been very clear that the current deadlock is completely predicated on May's oersonal red lines.

a softer uk approach with real concessions to keep ireland happy would quite clearly imo buy time and concessions elsewhere

not a reward for leaving and not what brexiteers wanted but the best that can be made of it from here tbh

If you insist on obsessing over freedom of movement, it would be.

lol i think i actually talked myself into letting myself be clear ten times in that post