Rolling Maleness and Masculinity Discussion Thread

That hilarious Rogue beer IT job posting that was circulated a while ago. http://i.imgur.com/cfGFm5j.png

good lord

I guess not having an HR dept means you can write want ads that strongly imply you should be male

can't wait to join the revolution by fixing printers in Newport

Is the revolution already underway?

oh barf

we are free thinking rebels!! now here are a bunch of arbitrary and subjective standards you must conform to and words you can't use

work your ass off for not enough money because... beer!

We do not budget or forecast. The balance sheets are MAYHEM.

Cue De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.

i remember when i was young, 90s and maybe early 2000s, this being the west of scotland and me being in a mainly working class milieu, i almost never saw men drinking wine - other than my chilean father. then as the years passed i would see working class men drinking wine sometimes, but exclusively red wine. never white. seems like red wine - tannic, higher alcohol, dark fruits - codes more masculine than white wine - floral aromatics, minerality, stone fruits. very weird to me.

moving to vancouver there is a bit less of a stress on traditional masculinity in general, but i did have a funny incident when drinking in the park with some friends/acquaintances. mixed gender group, everyone university educated and liberal/leftist, mainly bougie backgrounds. the fact that i was drinking riesling was very amusing to everyone. i found that strange. it was a dry reisling with pronounced notes of petrol incidentally

we call riesling "sommelier gatorade". I take it to the beach.

The gendered red/white divide is especially odd to me. I've never seen it play out in Montreal (plenty of women I know prefer red and dudes white) but the French influence might have something to do with it.

there's also the idea of matching (or pairing, if you will) the right drink with the food you're eating, if you're eating food

but then we get back to the "well, men eat steak and not chicken so of course they're drinking red"

If you go out to eat regularly and never order the chicken you are a doofus, chicken is amazing.

chicken is so good

I've posted this before I think but this was really good about food and sexism.

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2018/july/eating-in-dallas-top-steakhouses-gave-me-a-bellyful-of-misogyny/

so are rieslings

dallas

Shockah.

Yeah, but it happens everywhere. I have it happen to me constantly no matter where I am.

lol yeah I eat as little red meat as possible these days, although as more of an ethical stance than a dietary preference necessarily so lots of chicken and seafood

then I revert to type occasionally and want a big ol' steak and a glass of whiskey and some hideous red wine

xpost Riesling is one of the most perfect grapes.

Chicken is wonderful especially if you marinate it all day

... in urine.

kanye's "i'm beasting off the reisling" is still one of the great boasts in rap history

Steakhouses are mostly terrible. I got taken out to a Morton's on company dime recently, so expensive and so boring.

Peter Luger once in a while is nice, and I'm a big fan of the M. Wells Steakhouse which is sort of a riff on the concept of a steakhouse rather than a steakhouse.

for chain steakhouses I quite like Ruth's Chris which seems to lack the macho bs vibe you find elsewhere, probably because it was founded by a woman,

check this from wiki:

(Ruth) Fertel personally took a hand in every part of the business. She had to teach herself how to butcher steak, and despite being just five-foot-two and 110-pounds, would saw up 30-pound short loins by hand until she could afford an electric band saw. She staffed her restaurant with single mothers, saying that they were hard workers and reliable. For many years, Chris Steak House was the only upscale restaurant in New Orleans with an all-female wait staff.[13]

cool

A Portuguese-style chickenless life is not worth living.

steakhouses are okay but it's kind of weird to me to spend that kind of money because it's really not hard to go to a nice butcher shop and shell out for a good ribeye then cook it on a cast iron skillet w/a baked potato if that's yr jam

whereas like an actual fine dining restaurant (or culinary type place) at least i'm shelling out for stuff i'd have zero hope of cooking at home

like chicken!

(seriously i hate cooking chicken i always do a bad job)

I just found out that Rogue has a beer that was fermented from the wild yeast found in the brewmaster's beard. FULL CIRCLE.

That suggests a complementary product…

when did we start talking steakhouses? I was getting ready to share my beard grooming techniques but I'd much rather talk about how awesome Keens is.

somebody write the guns, germs, and steel for cocktails

https://fromagebob.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/6-glasses-cover.jpg

Already happened

I'm furious at how that cover rebuses "the" with "thé"

this Rogue stuff makes me sad, Rogue Hazelnut Brown Nectar is a delicious caramel beer that is now available in (man) cans.

white wine doesn't go w chicken as nicely as a red does imo

yours, a locally-grown beard curator

whatever you prefer!

the best wine is balsamic vinegar amirite

Vinegar is my only use for wine that’s for sure

Yeah, so that ad. I 100% understand the cynicism, major corp pressing ~hot button~ issues in hopes of viral play to raise visibility is gross. But going on the substance of it alone, I’m legitimately bewildered by anyone (especially here) thinking this is some over-the-line attack on men. “Hey, we can do better, let’s call out shitty behavior when we see it.” Wow, I feel deeply and unfairly shamed.

And yeah, this is only dreary/dark/weird if you watch like the first 30 seconds of it and turn it off. It’s blatantly a positive, inspirational thing taken as a whole. Feel like I watched something totally different than what everyone’s freaking out about.

dan selzer at 3:18 18 Jan 19

when did we start talking steakhouses? I was getting ready to share my beard grooming techniques but I'd much rather talk about how awesome Keens is.

I love keens

anyone (especially here) thinking this is some over-the-line attack on men.

Did anyone here read it this way? I thought people just thought it was dumb.

strawmasculinity

I was so offended I’ve been crying nonstop since I saw it

At bar at keens mind you. Masculine refuge. Just drinking makers and burying myself in 20 oz porterhouses

Upon watching it I decided to clean up my act and start shaving again.

Use a fusion not a mach 3

Eh, I won’t press it. I didn’t think it was dumb or shitty, ultimately positive and well done imo.

I hosted a bachelor party last night. Got real high and drunk and watched monster truck videos on YouTube and played Super Nintendo games. It was honestly really fun and the best one of these I’ve been a part of.

As an ad, it doesn't give me a reason to buy Gillette products. As a PSA, I don't find it particularly informative or insightful and I agree with Mordy that it muddles together different issues that should not be muddled together. (And if your analysis IS that childhood bullying, boys fighting, catcalling, sexual assault, etc are all manifestations of a fundamental issue with patriarchy or 'toxic masculinity', then the solution should probably be something more systemic and large-scale than 'as individual men, we have to step up, be better men, and teach those around us". Why doesn't a large corporation advocate for some kind of systemic change, I wonder?)