Rolling Maleness and Masculinity Discussion Thread

This is good in how it shows some nice bear upkeep/trimming before and after. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevinsmith/17-shocking-transformations-that-prove-a-good-beard-is

yikes i posted the wrong link. There are no bears in that.

idk a couple of them might be

that URL is the stuff of nightmares

Too much facial hair or too much buzzfeed?

beard say hi to me

Before > after in at least half of those side-by-side comparisons.

"kevinsmith" is the primary source of dread, I expect

I was imagining an article that's just all pictures of film director kevin smith with different levels of beard

also he would be wearing huge shorts in every pic

While driving me to work this morning my wife saw this stuff being advertised on the electronic billboard on the football stadium and was flabbergasted at how stupid it is. Not the existence of "wine in a can" per se, but this branding and marketing. Because, you know, drinking from a glass is so fucking girly.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBnppR6.img?m=1&b=black&w=412&h=232&f=jpeg&q=60

Wine is made for shotgunning after all

Last week I tried to explain to some of my French friends that drinking wine is a girly habit according to a certain contingent of the anglophone population and they struggled to wrap their minds around it.

Incidentally, it seems like every culture has some bullshit about how their traditional rivals are 'effeminate'.

The only ones that are somewhat better in the before pic are the ones that were already ridiculously hot.

lol putting it in a can isn't enough, it has to *say* "MAN" on it in big bold letters, jfc

tbh if someone told me they were going to the bar to get some mancan my first thought would not go to wine

I always figure men in the US think drinking wine is effeminate because they know nothing about wine.

Dunno, is #1 ridiculously hot? The shaggier look suits him better imho.

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Since moving to the UK I've noted with some amusement that women almost systematically order a glass of wine at the pub. I've yet to see a man do it.

part of my brain has apparently been polluted by an old roommate who is in fact a bear who loves man can

xpost That beard (1) looks dry and scraggly as f.

finally opened the buzzfeed thing and too many of the "after" photos look like Proud Boys

the garbage mancan

Yeah I would say the same goes for the UK. The wine in regular UK pubs is often super boring too.

USAians thinking wine is for women is a recent thing then? When I was in uni there, you’d commonly see guys at frat parties with bottles or jugs of wine. Not just talking about mad dog or Boone’s either

neckbeard vs proudboy.

I think the weirdest stereotype re: alcoholic drinks I had at some point is that cognac is an effeminate drink... unless you're rapping about it?

like idk where this even came from, some sort of weird received stereotype. maybe because brandy is distilled from wine? cognac is fine

I always figure men in the US think drinking wine is effeminate because they know nothing about wine.

― Yerac, Friday, January 18, 2019 10:35 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW the received stereotype I always got is that red wine ok but white wine is effeminate? Which I always thought was dumb anyway because white wine is delicious and much better on a hot day than red wine.

bottles or jugs of wine, sure. but would you ever see those guys enjoying a single glass or having a bottle?

it's one of those things where it's perceived as one way with normal consumption, and completely differently when it's in a form meant for binge drinking

FWIW I think in the US the reason for the stereotype is that wine is seen as "high class" and things that are "high class" are also associated with being effeminate. Whereas in France wine is just what everyone drinks.

xpost, I don't think it's a recent thing and it's not anywhere in my solar system of people but there is a definite proliferation of "mommy needs wine" types of products, drinking of wine by female morning hosts, terms like cougar juice etc.

Yeah, I think that's the reason. French culture tends to be perceived as altogether high class abroad (not just in English-speaking countries), which is really confusing to the French.

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Yeah, people seem to not like white wine because they think they shouldn't like white wine. It's weird. Or they assume everything is overoaked chardonnay or sweet riesling. There are hundreds of white wine grape varieties. It usually goes better with food too.

xpost oh yeah and it's definitely a classist thing, plus wine labels are hard to decipher so the snobbery is packed in.

Not a huge fan of white but I couldn't live without a glass of Alsatian Gewürztraminer every now and then.

tbf north american stores really love stocking overoaked chardonnay and sweet riesling

there was no substantial culture of wine-drinking in the uk until fairly recently. find an old person and ask them about pre 70s wine. the US obv in large part derived from beer boys. there is no mystery.

The alt-right ruined a perfectly good haircut imo.

^^^ they did. Poor David Beckham.

I've become a big fan of sancerre and alsatian pinot gris

I've had contentious exchanges with bro servers before who were aghast about my being a dude and ordering "girly" drinks. I can get a bartender being disappointed I asked for a vodka tonic when they've got the skill to make much fancier drinks that will net higher tips, but the waiter getting mad because I want a strawberry-banana daiquiri makes no sense. They are both expensive and delicious, everybody wins.

xpost yeah I was about to say when I lived in London no one really drank wine but I see recently that a lot of people are drinking, like prosecco. And I've had some decent sparkling UK wine. Nyetimber.

You should always start your drinking evening with a nice cava or prosecco, it's like drinking a baby cloud.

So, to summarize: a 'masculine' relationship with alcohol is founded on unfussiness and sloshedness, whereas a 'feminine' one aims to please an aesthetically sophisticated palate. Or something. Doesn't account for craft beer, although you could view the entire phenomenon with masculinist suspicion and just continue chugging your Coors Light or Molson Canadian or whatever.

post If you like sancerre and alsace pinot gris, you will like Pouilly Fume, alsace riesling and italian vermentino, verdicchio, pigato.

Oh my thing about wine above and men thinking it's effeminate because they don't know about it is more about the knee jerk reaction of men to poo poo stuff they have no knowledge about.

what abt yr beard-oil applying single malt connoisseur with his expensive cigar cutter and many many opinions?

I remember being advised once that any wine with an animal on the label is for girls.

I guess if you add power (whether real or merely performed) to the equation, it suddenly becomes legitimate. But it works better with whiskey and cigars than it does with cognac or wine.

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So, to summarize: a 'masculine' relationship with alcohol is founded on unfussiness and sloshedness, whereas a 'feminine' one aims to please an aesthetically sophisticated palate. Or something. Doesn't account for craft beer, although you could view the entire phenomenon with masculinist suspicion and just continue chugging your Coors Light or Molson Canadian or whatever.

― pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:53 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dont think that holds true when you consider eg whiskey either tbh

the type of man this thread is comfortable making yknow broadly negative handwavey comment on is just i guess a dumb man who wants uncomplex stuff that everyone else wants idk its hard to parse rly