"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Xp - very true, about 5k in Leamington I think. I'm not sure they ALL vote Labour, this is Warwick University Inc. we're talking about. But yeah, as I day, my hope is probs misguided...

"As I say"

almost nonexistent social benefits

dude! we have the NHS! no one has ever heard of a "mutuelle" over here. ok some people have BUPA but it's not the default. your list is pretty much right-on but just sayin.

xp to pomenitul

I think at this point I've heard all the arguments and hypothetical scenarios and I remain unconvinced. even leaving aside the existence of the US nuclear arsenal I agree with enoch powell's assessment that there is never going to be a scenario in which we use them. I can't envisage a moment in which May decides to nuke Moscow and I bet Putin can't either, although it serves his interests to be cautious & coy about it, and indeed it even serves as a useful distraction when there are plenty of plausible scenarios involving Russian aggression which the uk & nato are not prepared for

I found this to be an interesting comparison:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenu_de_solidarité_active

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/what-youll-get

You also need to factor in the cost of living and access to social housing, which appears to be more difficult in the UK.

xp

ogmor, the symbolics of it matter too. The UK pulling out of NATO would be a sign of apathy, which only serves to strengthen Russian ambitions. It's an issue that feels a lot more pressing the further East you go.

Um, I can easily imagine plenty of scenarios where May nukes Moscow?

I've never heard the term "gammonland" or "gammon" before as a put-down, I think that's great! Trying to think of the US equivalent ...

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-statement/Commons/2019-01-17/HCWS1254/

"A new order has been made under section 56(1B) of the Reserve Forces Act 1996 to enable Reservists to be called into permanent service in support of the HMG contingency planning for a no deal EU exit scenario."

bubbas

xpost

labour policy as it stands is to support trident and remain in nato and I think the latter is not especially contentious (the apathy is real!). I don't think nuclear weapons are the most effective signalling tool or instrument of diplomatic messaging, and I think you can be very concerned abt Russia and still want to retire the trident subs, but I accept that out of the context of a new/evolving defence policy the act of nuclear disarmament wld be celebrated in Russia even if it didn't change the diplomatic arithmetic or facts on the ground

That's a perfectly reasonable position.

quite heartening to read the guardian’s vox pops on last nights’pantomime. most people seem to think may is at it and that JC is right to call her on her bullshit

weren't those selections from the guardian comments section?

xpost Bubbas? Maybe rednecks? Those are both class-based, is "gammon" related to class or just general ruddy-faced attitude?

i feel like bubba implies a certain toxic whiteness. you can have left-wing rednecks

and you can have middle-class bubbas

i guess the diff is that no one proudly self-IDs as "gammon"

gammon are sort of landed redneck gentry and can be found in pubs and masonic lodges.

Gammons initially were better off and probably owned a set of golf clubs, but the definition has widened to include any reactionary man with a regional accent and an apparent greed for pies.

*gulp*

How similar is it to 'white trash'?

LOOOOL while I’ve got you Calz, I can’t wait to tell my friend from Ossett that he’s posh...

Not at all, you can be a well off and middle class gammon.

So a Republican?

regional accents?

the way forward is definitely revelling in the mockery of those who disagree with us tho, for sure.

They live in places called like Carlton Husthwaite and it is confusing who is the man who is the village

their accents must be eradicated and made non-regional, like the accents of those from my region

Don't think regional accents have much to do with it tbh, just that as question time tours the UK we hear a variety of different accents coming from a remarkably uniform set of ruddy-faced old bigots

I shed a tear of mirth when I first stumbled upon Horton-cum-Studley.

there are probably bigots in every region, of different stripes

xxxp

not always a bad thing suzy. i love wandering through the countryside to horbury (just darn road from ossett) for a few swills in the brewers pride, because it is so damn civilised compared to local options.

the wall of gammon was furious patriots demanding nuclear annihilation, it's a certain sort of middle-aged entitled white british nationalism that cannot handle any challenge to its authority

Nah, the way forward is clearly suddenly jumping onto a long-running politics thread as an apparent hostile newbie and accusing people of making value judgements when they’re just trying to explain a popular demographic term to a trusted, nice US poster.

Don't think regional accents have much to do with it tbh

There is an element of the portly wealthy victorian industrialist at heart though

possibility of first name Titus

XP ogmor is OTM.

Whatever happens, hopefully politicians will start listening to young ppl after this. This Great Wall of gammon has had its way long enough. pic.twitter.com/N0ZWI3wMuM

— Ben Davis (@bendavis_86) June 8, 2017

Only 1 and 9 are true examples (possibly 3 and 7)

1 is the godfather and actually built the village of Kirk Deighton, naming it after himself

sorry didn't realise i need 10,000 posts to be allowed to raise the fact that the term "regional accents" is seldom used except to dismiss people from certain parts of britain.

london is a region too. maybe we should be more precise about the nature of those we oppose lest we alienate others in the process.

there have been more fractious disagreements itt and there will be again.

So this isn't how it was intended here, glad that's been settled and now we can all move on.

i disagree.

but am happy to move on.

Oh stop being a ninny, hardly anyone on this thread is from London and I imagine all of them have regional accents of one kind or another.

everyone not from london does. yorkshiremen. scots. irish etc.

So what?

(If you'd take off the sock for a minute, it would be easier to take you seriously)

LDs have confirmed they won’t support labour in future VONCs

fh clearly not a sock ffs