"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

an agreement to rescind or seek to extend A50 if a deal can't be got thru parliament in time.

And we're back at running down the clock again. All Remain would have to do is vote down any options put in front of them.

-- in a sane, rational world corbyn saying 'explicitly abjure a no deal exit' is wholly justified to anyone remotely rational by the leaked hammond conference call. but, as someone pointed out upthread, in a sane, rational world the irish backstop is at least a medium-to-good idea and also we wouldn't have had the referendum or

-- lol at the mail's WRECKER CORBYN this morning. weirdest soviet dog whistle?? or just someone operating on more levels of tabloid syntax than i can personally manage??

-- in general the right press's treatment of corbyn at this juncture v v restrained compared to where it could be, no? i have been out of england four years so i don't have the most up to the minute grasp of the media climate, but what i remember miliband going through at any moment of import was so much worse

The Greens get more votes than the DÜ fucking P.

How bitterly ironic would it be for the two parties with Unionist in their names to be responsible for the breakup of the UK?

The chances of the EU extending past July, because of the EU elections, are the square root of fuck all.

in fact “taking it off the table” seems a v sensible thing to ask. (strategically and generally)

Remember though that there's a significant cohort of Tories who consider negotiating in Trumpian terms - not waving No Deal around like a lit stick of dynamite means you'll have to put up with whatever they offer.

And a smaller cohort who consider May to be an ultra-remainder, tasked by Her Masters to bring back a deal even worse than remaining.

Remainder seems about right.

I've heard a lot of them inferring that the threat of no deal will induce some desperate last ditch flip-flop from the EU. I like playing lotteries as well.

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Slight Liam Foxing to spine

the tories have used every possible occasion to personally attack corbyn and then complain that he's not keen to talk to them.

And not counting Disaster Capitalists, urging on a No Deal.

At the risk of sounding churlish, if Corbyn was so bothered about preventing No Deal he might have thought twice about whipping his own MPs to support triggering Article 50 in the first place.

Or indeed agitating for A50 to be invoked in the days immediately following the referendum whether there was a plan or not, knowing it was on a strict 24 month timetable.

Yeah, with 20/20 hindsight that looks like a bad call but at the time it looked like accepting democracy.

A lot of the disaster capitalists don’t want an A50 extension because in April, EU laws will make their tax affairs much more transparent.

It looked like a bad call at the time as well.

in general the right press's treatment of corbyn at this juncture v v restrained compared to where it could be, no?

I wouldn't say very, very restrained. But probably tomned it down a bit since last June.

http://www.electionanalysis.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/newspaper4.jpg

LOL huge.

This was basically Gove's attack yesterday, of course, so no doubt if there was an election (there won't be) this would be all wheeled out again.

In any case, the smaller parties all seem to be setting out new red lines for support, in both red and blue directions, so this whole thing is about to get about 100 times stupider.

I'm sure this is just another bunch of arseholes, but as regards coverage for your message, this is £400 well spent.

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/mysterious-posters-trolling-politicians-words-2436261.amp

Little Eddie Miliband got a bad time of it from the scum, but Corbyn's had it much worse, though you could say they had more material to work with.

I'll take Corbyn's brexit fuck-ups because in the face of this clusterfuck he still rails against unimportant little things like cuts to adult education budgets, UC and austerity in general and I know this winds up lots of over privileged myopic remainer types - but to his supporter base it's very important stuff.

looking at that Jon Worth flowchart it looks like the two most likely options are "no deal" or "extension of article 50 with conditions presumably election and/or referendum" at kind of 50% and 30%?

ore that the country is naturally Conservative so they are always more likely to coalesce around a unifying idea.

At the risk of sounding churlish, if Corbyn was so bothered about preventing No Deal he might have thought twice about whipping his own MPs to support triggering Article 50 in the first place.

She accused Britain's other political parties of "game playing", adding that this risks "our ability to make a success of Brexit and it will cause damaging uncertainty and instability to the country".

Also anyone describing this shambles as 'Plan B' should be embarrassed.

I'm not necessarily sure Corbyn's had it worse than Miliband did - this stuff is water off a duck's back with Corbyn to some extent, with Miliband it was nastier and much more personal.

nothing to do with UK antisemitism obv.

(xp to myself)

but what i remember miliband going through at any moment of import was so much worse

IDGI, only Labours do antisemitism surely?

However Corbyn has the press calling him a traitor and terrorist sympathiser, implying he cares more about immigrants than anyone else and in the post-referendum atmosphere that’s not just irresponsible, it’s dangerous. See the Finsbury Park attacker, see his mentions any day of the week, it’s all flowing from that.

While I agree that Ed Miliband had it worse, he also had either terrible instincts or gave an ear to advisors with terrible instincts - I don't believe for a second that (for example) he wouldn't have been bullied into calling for Article 50 immediately.

This stands out for Corbyn because he is far less reactive, it's standard to assume that everything is part of A Plan (when of course some things aren't, or are only backfilled into one).

fucked up that corbyn was willing to negotiate without precondition in order to end a three-decade war of imperialism that destroyed northern ireland, yet wont do it just so the tories can make sure brexit happens in march instead of september https://t.co/zefH8QQ3P6

— frank furtschool (@osamabishounen) January 17, 2019

Wtf.

History has shown the country is more likely to elect a Con govt than a Lab one and the last major Lab success was under a drive to embrace weak Con policies to get into power (and Blair is still a divisive figure today, not to mention bank bailout, austerity v1, ATOS etc taking place within that regime). That suggests to me the majority are sympathetic to those ideas so a party coalescing around those broad themes has the greatest chance of success. So despite fundamental differences the Tories are probably the ones least likely to split because they can find more other things in common.

Yeah, I’m not even touching that. That’s some “natural party of government” muck.

Neither Labour or the Tories are going to split. IMO.

Theresa May pushes for cross-party consensus

Speaking outside Downing Street after talks on Wednesday night with the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid Cymru, Mrs May called on MPs to "put self-interest aside".

Reported with a completely straight face by the BBC.

back in my day if you did a statement in front of Downing Street it meant you were resigning, calling an election, or that you'd just lost a referendum you thought you could never lose and accidentally plunged the country into years of political chaos

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) January 16, 2019

I hate how she always does that thing where she turns on her heel at the end like it's a mic drop

this also bothers me about May, feels like she gets the lectern out for any old shit atm. Even worse if you count in her impromptu press conferences.

― gyac, Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:18 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is she taking cues from Trump?

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she did a cracking one after pissing away her majority in election '17 "time to go to work" like as if nothing to see here folks, just another day at work.

Yeah, I’m not even touching that. That’s some “natural party of government” muck.

Fair enough. I just think understanding UK voting history and demographics is probably key to plotting a route out of this. (Equally history is just that, and it's not set in stone going forward, but there needs to be evidence of an opinion shift for it to be anything other than faith.)

Feel like Cameron (and Brown?) used to do this a lot too. Blair didn't. (xxp)

She gets the lectern out a lot because it enables her to control the messaging. She can do pre-rehearsed statements, she's terrible with anything off-the-cuff.

OTM though she's terrible with anything on-th-cuff too.

bbc decision to let the football bump her from the news top slot was good and correct, the one thing they've got right in the current affairs realm since alastair campbell got greg dyke sacked imo

I just think understanding UK voting history and demographics is probably key

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she did a cracking one after pissing away her majority in election '17 "time to go to work" like as if nothing to see here folks, just another day at work.

Southampton vs. Derby County, FA Cup 3rd Round replay. Bit too much fucking perspective there.

I have a lot of thoughts about the outfits Theresa May chooses to wear and when she chooses to wear them. Like the one she chose to wear when she held hands with Trump - exact same one she wore to attend her count the night she lost her majority.

the viewers would have expected her to get booked for time wasting.

Just been sent this old Barry Gardiner leaflet and actually cannot stop laughing pic.twitter.com/fW9ETqX1oK

— Jack Blanchard (@Jack_Blanchard_) January 17, 2019

feel like aldos been a bit unfairly mischaracterised there

"the uk votes tory at the drop of a hat" seems fairly defensible as a statement