"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

maybe they see no reason to wear responsibility for that delay if he is going to anyway

Did I miss the letterbox vote?

― koogs, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 19:17 (two hours ago) Bookmark

Another very important issue that was drowned out by the jet-stream scream of brexit today was Blackford's impassioned plea about the plight of Scottish crofters. And one interesting thing i learned from the last thread is that he's just a humble crofter himself.

EXCLUSIVE

Telegraph obtains leaked recording of briefing Philip Hammond gave business leaders in aftermath of PM's defeat

Read full transcript including how Hammond said 'threat' of no-deal Brexit could be 'off the table' within days & A50 'rescinded'https://t.co/VITSFhQI1m

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) January 16, 2019

brextended

does laura kuenssberg not know the name of the house of commons or what

If I was Corbyn I would have gone, I think.

a friend tells me that that pronouncement from the German business guy upthread is actually a fairly common German saying: “besser ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende”

matt hancock has retweeted a gif with a brazzers logo on it

thinking of ppl like Hammond makes me think of D Edgerton's description of the 30's Tory government as being full of extremely wealthy businessmen including pm Nev the appeasement meister, and how their brand became damaged goods. Most of these ppl even made Churchill look like an old money pauper. But he asserts in the tory side of the wartime coalition the % of mp's reflected a much more national character than big business, despite evil press barons like Beaverbrook still representing as well. Just fucking think this lot, both the remain and leave tories in both parties are too much of the same shit and it would be such a good thing for them to become irreparably damaged goods - even if just for a decade.

what's brazzers?

porn site

lmao!

if anyone discerns any sexual arousal from Theresa May laughing gif I'd say you've had a more fucked up upbringing than the average catholic.

So Hammond says Ho for Soft Brexit, yet May (according to a "source" who seems v impartial) apparently is boxing herself in tightly

Latest from senior Whitehall source:

- May will not extend Article 50, over-riding advisers urging her to do so.
- EU deemed unlikely to offer more concessions.
- May won't budge on her red lines.
- May will not back 2nd referendum on any grounds.

— Ian Birrell (@ianbirrell) January 16, 2019

no deal time

When Ms. May watched Thelma and Louise maybe she didn't realize that the freeze-frame of the car in mid-air does not portray the actual ending of the movie.

shes clearly going quite insane.

its good

top post, Aimless.

I take it that the Vote of no confidence is the UK equivalent of the US 25th amendment. & if an individual has passed it twice their flagrant insanity is not very likely to be stopped.

extremely good that all of the commentators who have been pleading with politicians to do something to negate no deal are now berating JC for obstinacy.

anyway, now in the endgame - three options appear clearer than ever: labour split ; tory split ; no deal. could go either way but tories are so resilient so... :/

there was a good brexit flowchart yesterday from twitter - i think it was posted on here but i cant find it

found it!

Und ja, voll spannend. Ich muss all das morgen Nachmittag in eine 10-Minutigen Vortrag für @SebHerlt in Berlin zusammenfassen. Auf deutsch! 🤯#Brexit pic.twitter.com/oS6t5DuGsa

— Jon Worth (@jonworth) January 16, 2019

http://www.thinkmaze.com/wp-content/uploads/Banana_Monkey_maze_color.jpg

xp Late but just to be sure, Suzy yr newspaper tweet was a fake

Lab say before the meeting must rule out no deal before starting.
SNP say must rule out no deal, extend A50 and agree to PV before meeting again.
LD will keep talking as long as May is "considering the option of" (Vince Cable this morning) no no deal and PV.

This is going to go nowhere.

The question facing May will still be arithmetic. If she adopted Lab policy wholesale (CU, permanently enshrined workers/env rights) 1) how many Con votes would she lose (which is bound to be more than she lost on her deal) and 2) how many Lab votes still wouldn't cross the floor because it's a Tory motion (Angela Rayner on the record in this position).

three options appear clearer than ever: labour split ; tory split ; no deal.

Beginning to think this is the case. I don't think it's resilience that makes Tory split less likely, more that the country is naturally Conservative so they are always more likely to coalesce around a unifying idea.

Fine.

So yesterday, before the VONC, May invited every party leader apart from Corbyn to meet her (which all Lab MPs, even the ones who don’t like him that much, called out as bullshit) and then afterward he’s the bad guy for insisting that she commit to not crashing out with no deal? Is that how this works now?

I don't 'get' Corbyn's "get no deal off the table first" stance and it indeed feels like he's ducking. You can't get 'no deal' off the table, because it's not on the table. 'No deal' isn't a deal of it's own: it's just a reality of what will happen when there is no deal on March 29. So if you want 'no deal off the table', try and make sure you have a deal by that date! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is going to go nowhere.

This, basically. EU won't budge: the price of setting a precedent is way too high.

She can say “if we have nothing by March 28th we’ll ask to extend and if we can extend we will revoke” to take it off the table.

But that would require legislation and would certainly create a much larger run-out-the-clock incentive so you can see why she doesn’t want to.

"No Deal" could hypothetically be removed from the table by a number of means including an agreement to rescind or seek to extend A50 if a deal can't be got thru parliament in time.

The SNP clearly aren't interested in anything other than leveraging independence but that's what they're for I guess so whatevs.

I don't 'get' Corbyn's "get no deal off the table first" stance and it indeed feels like he's ducking. You can't get 'no deal' off the table, because it's not on the table. 'No deal' isn't a deal of it's own: it's just a reality of what will happen when there is no deal on March 29. So if you want 'no deal off the table', try and make sure you have a deal by that date! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sorry basically repeated what stet said.

I suspect that ideas of EU willingness to give the UK time to change its mind are looking increasingly optimistic.

and lol repeating what stet and nv said.

Thx guys, I get that.

I suspect that ideas of EU willingness to give the UK time to change its mind are looking increasingly optimistic.

I'm not convinced by this yet tbh, but who knows really.

I think the EU will give the UK time to change its mind.

The EU does everything at the last minute.

There goes Hitachi

you know who I blame? Jeremy Corbyn.

is the idea of theresa may having a meeting with caroline lucas to get the all important green party input as funny to everyone else as i find it

an agreement to rescind or seek to extend A50 if a deal can't be got thru parliament in time.

And we're back at running down the clock again. All Remain would have to do is vote down any options put in front of them.

-- in a sane, rational world corbyn saying 'explicitly abjure a no deal exit' is wholly justified to anyone remotely rational by the leaked hammond conference call. but, as someone pointed out upthread, in a sane, rational world the irish backstop is at least a medium-to-good idea and also we wouldn't have had the referendum or

-- lol at the mail's WRECKER CORBYN this morning. weirdest soviet dog whistle?? or just someone operating on more levels of tabloid syntax than i can personally manage??

-- in general the right press's treatment of corbyn at this juncture v v restrained compared to where it could be, no? i have been out of england four years so i don't have the most up to the minute grasp of the media climate, but what i remember miliband going through at any moment of import was so much worse

The Greens get more votes than the DÜ fucking P.

How bitterly ironic would it be for the two parties with Unionist in their names to be responsible for the breakup of the UK?

The chances of the EU extending past July, because of the EU elections, are the square root of fuck all.

in fact “taking it off the table” seems a v sensible thing to ask. (strategically and generally)

Remember though that there's a significant cohort of Tories who consider negotiating in Trumpian terms - not waving No Deal around like a lit stick of dynamite means you'll have to put up with whatever they offer.

And a smaller cohort who consider May to be an ultra-remainder, tasked by Her Masters to bring back a deal even worse than remaining.

Remainder seems about right.

I've heard a lot of them inferring that the threat of no deal will induce some desperate last ditch flip-flop from the EU. I like playing lotteries as well.

xpost
Slight Liam Foxing to spine

the tories have used every possible occasion to personally attack corbyn and then complain that he's not keen to talk to them.

And not counting Disaster Capitalists, urging on a No Deal.