"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

That seems a lot tbh. I guess all the DUP plus a couple of random feckless cunts like Woodcock?

That was squeaky! Now she’s invited all party leaders to meet with her, including JC.

Nothing unites the ruling class like the threat of socialism.

Votes not through on the app yet but I bet you’re right.

god damn it. was hoping against hope

Vote percentages: 52 noes, 48 ayes SMDH

SNP might want to reduce military spending, however, the cost of policies in the 2014 paper would have increased spending above the pro-rata of the UK defence budget and they are committed to both NATO and PESCO (if in EU) so more than 2% by default.

The 2014 White Paper advocated a points based immigration system pretty much identical to every other one on the table. Theirs would have been skewed "to benefit the economy and not flat values" which is exactly the same language as current Labour.

You've probably missed the tuition fees scandals not being in the country - they capped the amount which could be given to universities to pay for Scottish student tuition, which has led to caps on numbers of Scottish students being placed by the universities, which has led to some prospective students being turned away even (in one very newsworthy event) straight-A students.

― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:48 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok fair enough.

my point is not really in praise of the SNP, it's more that labour gets more credit than is merited on the evidence of their actual policies for being left-wing because corbyn namedrops allende and sankara

John Woodcock didn’t vote with the government - no Labour MPs did. DUP + lady hermon + Tories

Ah right, didn't realise their majority was that strong

ffs Woodcock's still blathering on about Trident like as if Corbyn's ability to commit to nuclear holocaust is what everyone is worried about rn.

10 votes, £100,000,000 each

because corbyn namedrops allende and sankara

Yeah sure that's all he does.

Vote percentages: 52 noes, 48 ayes SMDH

― suzy, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 19:23 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oddly accurate: 51.505546751% against the motion of not confidence. Which when you round....

individuating unionist MPs and splinters is last-days-of-callaghan territory fwiw -- i don't think i even heard of lady hermon before today! (or knew that the ghost of the OUs yet survives)

If it hadn't been for DUP support, the government would have lost by 1.

Unless they abstained, can't see them supporting Corbyn even if they weren't being paid not to

because corbyn namedrops allende and sankara

Yeah sure that's all he does.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:36 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i vote for labour last time around but the stanning - especially from wee irony stalinist on social media - is lamentable

i don't think it's controversial that what lab had on offer in 2017 was p milquetoast in many ways even compared to EdM's. mcdonnell in particular has since announced more radical red meat, in respect of a socialist plan and rebalanced industrial relations but (a) it's all muffled by the jet-stream scream of brexit and (b) it's not yet down on paper in an election manifesto

tbh I wouldn’t expect them to side with any opposition to force an election - why would they? This is the most influence they’ve ever had.

So you are making claims about the SNP to make some weird point? All because of 10 Stalinists on social media that back Corbyn.

This is good and normal behaviour. xxp

"it's all muffled by the jet-stream scream of brexit"

nice phrasing there + something that is driving me insane.

As for confidence vote this is actually pretty encouraging.

saw the video

he just took his glasses off ffs

So you are making claims about the SNP to make some weird point? All because of 10 Stalinists on social media that back Corbyn.

This is good and normal behaviour. xxp

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:44 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, because people should not suspend their critical faculties based on cult of personality, and it's really inappropriate to talk about PC and SNP going against labour's plans in parliament as "punching left" when both of those parties run to the left of labour in their devolved institutions and corbynism hasn't yet offered a left-wing manifesto

I don't understand how a general election happens, whats to stop them going on till 2022? Presumably with a leadership challenge in December

lol yes Corbyn has such charisma. xp

(incidentally the reason i voted for labour under corbyn was because i thought that the left-wing signaling was sufficient to merit some support on the basis that the uk is terribly tory, was obviously going to vote tory in that election, and a larger popular vote for labour under corbyn would help bolster the legitimacy of labour alternatives to blairism)

Oh for crying out loud, I'm sure if you can be arsed it isn't difficult to find SNP policies to the left and right of Labour.

Question of what happens next is far more interesting.

At least you’re not in my house where we’re having an argument about whether Michael Gove sounds Scottish.

anyway the story the inappropriate punch-left talk was based on is thin to the point of not actually really being there at all -- this wasn't an official announcement by anyone, it was a reporter passing on a rumour, which might be idiocy on their part or their sources, or malicious porkies or who knows

example: laura k yesterday extremely confidently passed on the info -- from someone "very in the know" -- that there were so many abstentions on the meaningful vote that the tories might win it: in the end literally no one abstained

this is a fervid time and all kinds of ppl have all kind of agendas, a lot of them very dumb

xp. he does. a lot less scottish than an aberdonian who went to state school has any right to but there's a wee inflection in there

Yeah, he’s an Aberdonian who went to Oxford and probably had some elocution lessons on the side.

Smart move, given: 1) ruling it out would drive May’s MPs mad 2) not ruling it out makes her look reckless 3) the very fact she won’t rule it out diacourages eurosceptic Tory rebels from backing her deal 4) It gives Labour a popular all-purpose attack line https://t.co/o5GbUvEYM0

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) January 16, 2019

he's an alien who skipped clapping lessons, what's wrong with you all xp

Yes I’m aware he is Scottish, but he doesn’t sound it.

plus you can't actually 'take it off the table' short of (i) passing a negotiated settlement or (ii) extending/revoking A50

I hear a little Scottish in Gove's accent

May could commit to extending Article 50 but she won't for the reasons above. Hope you're all looking forward to an extended game of chicken.

peak zugzwang

He sounds Scottish. He sounds a lot more Scottish than some friends of mine from Aberdeenshire and a lot less Scottish than others.

Does Fraser Nelson sound Scottish to you? I’ve never heard anyone talk like he does but he still sounds Scottish.

Yeah, I've worked with people in Glasgow that spoke like that.

Excellent subtitle error as Michael Gove winds down no confidence debate. #batman #jeremycorbyn #NoConfidenceMotion 🦇 pic.twitter.com/WCj25DV583

— Nina Massey (@ninamasseyPA) January 16, 2019

Any Dutch speakers around?

Bloody hell, the Dutch don’t hold back. pic.twitter.com/uznUSZDhch

— Rich Rippon (@RichRippon) January 16, 2019

I'm assuming the LibDems/Nats announcement is intended to make it impossible for Labour to force an election, in effect bouncing them towards backing a second referendum.

In fairness there's also how many goes do Labour get before they have failed to force the election.

In general I'm okay with some flexibility for Corbyn, but tbh I'm fine with this line of attack entirely due to the arseholes on social media who've been going "You guys come onnn, the party convention laid out a series of steps to take and he's just going through them in the right order" for the last month.

wait has the story kempsall tweeted turned into an actual official announcement? all he said was "understand there are conversations underway right now between SNP, Plaid and LibDems etc" -- which on its own is thin stuff imo

no - kirsty blackman has confirmed

This is absolutely not @theSNP position. Whether or not the PM wins the vote tonight we will continue to have no confidence in this conservative UK Govt and will vote to make that clear whenever we have the opportunity. This is why we tabled our no confidence motion in December! https://t.co/Y8e04vZ2CO

— Kirsty Blackman (@KirstySNP) January 16, 2019

extremely good tweet

At exactly this stage in Ed Miliband's leadership compared to Corbyn LAB had a YouGov lead of 9%

— Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB) January 16, 2019

ross kempsall, political editor @talkRADIO, columnist @BritishGQ
mark s, distracted very-online shitposter with a memorystick full of blobby gifs

ffs "i could do better" is a very low bar

May is making a statement at 10pm. Probably another damp squib.

My predictions:
- a big chunky necklace
- “come together as a country”
- “the people voted for Brecksit”
- “delivering a deal that works”
- unexpected Larry cameo (but I’d prefer Palmerston)