"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Understand there are conversations underway right now between SNP, Plaid and LibDems re penning joint letter stating that they will not back repeated motions of no confidence if Corbyn loses tonight - so Labour would be trying again on its own

Pure cuntery that abandons their voters. Hope labour squeezes them out in every single marginal.

This is what our country could be with a Labour government.
Watch and share 👇 pic.twitter.com/NcLXKDcZGc

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) January 16, 2019

This PPB is really good - keep an eye out for the young Asian woman who is Jaskiran Chohan, a 24-year-old Labour councillor in Southall and ex-McDonnell staffer. Also my friend’s niece. She’s awesome.

xp. also a rumour

though I'm not sure what good successive unsuccessful VONCs does

I don’t think the leadership are minded to keep running it unless they believe they can get the votes, but fucking still. Keep punching left, guys!

SNP is to the left of labour on major policy issues

is that laura pidcock at the end?

SNP fuck with socialism Jim?

SNP are unprincipled, opportunistic cunts, they've found their perfect match in the Lib Dems. LOL Plaid Cymru.

Didn’t people once call the SNP Tartan Tories? I don’t like them because some of their big donors are nasty homophobic arseholes.

Angela Rayner says on PM tonight that even if May turned up in her office agreeing to CU and all the workers/environment etc demands in the interests of the country she still wouldn't vote with the govt on a bill.

Looks like VONC till you honk is the only policy in town.

SNP have also pushed ahead with several policies despite losing the parliamentary vote on them, insisting such a vote is only advisory.

new socialist needs a much firmer sub editor i think -- it's got better and gann is smart and engaged but few of its writers are especially sparky and some of its stuff is still quite needlessly repetitive and graceless :(

(i've actually considered offering but i assume they have no money and it wd be all fights all the time)

― mark s, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Do it for socialism ;-)

I know what you mean re: edits - the piece analyzing the situation on Brazil pre-election was at times quite hard to follow. On the other hand I love this piece on the politics of surrogacy and care. Won't read many better essays on anything this year. Gann is very good at negotiating between left labour to various anarchists critiques and it really shows in the variety of coverage.

They don't have much cash at all (see some fundraiser links now and then) and the future does seem bleak but aren't all our futures like that.

I'm the LibDems/Nats announcement is intended to make it impossible for Labour to force an election, in effect bouncing them towards backing a second referendum.

I'm assuming, ahem

SNP fuck with socialism Jim?

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:23 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

SNP has a less hawkish foreign policy. they want to decrease military budget and scrap trident. labour don't want to scrap trident and their 2017 manifesto wanted to increase military budget by at seat 2% of GDP.

in criminal justice Labour puts more of a premium increasing numbers of police

SNP has a less nativist immigration policy.

in education labour wants to scrap tuition fees. SNP administration has done that in Scotland.

fair play to them, they’re nothing if not consistent. will always privilege the oppprtunistic politics of sectional advantage so can’t expect them to interact with the UK parliament in good faith

xps. as they should, if they're to represent their electorate

xp. does the uk parliament deserve good faith from scotland and wales?

ahem

A Scottish administration in an indepedent Scotland would not be adventuring in Yemen. Labour have ofc have highlighted foreign policy abuses so I don't take that point. Nor would an indepedent Scotland have nuclear weapons.

Fair enough on cops though lets face it they are a party of the state as much as Labour so they could increase it at some point. Both SNP and Labour are pro-EU. Unless SNP are advocating for open borders I don't know what less nativist means.

The last point is you saying they have the same policy - just that SNP could do it because they are in government.

SNP might want to reduce military spending, however, the cost of policies in the 2014 paper would have increased spending above the pro-rata of the UK defence budget and they are committed to both NATO and PESCO (if in EU) so more than 2% by default.

The 2014 White Paper advocated a points based immigration system pretty much identical to every other one on the table. Theirs would have been skewed "to benefit the economy and not flat values" which is exactly the same language as current Labour.

You've probably missed the tuition fees scandals not being in the country - they capped the amount which could be given to universities to pay for Scottish student tuition, which has led to caps on numbers of Scottish students being placed by the universities, which has led to some prospective students being turned away even (in one very newsworthy event) straight-A students.

I remain a fan of this genre

Dear @sinnfeinireland - Please can you take your UK parliament seats today (fingers crossed behind your back when you sign the oath is fine..) so the Tories can be destroyed tonight. You will gain many fans.

— Morgan Cox (@morgancox_uk) January 16, 2019

Imagine this for a plot twist: Corbyn walks into parliament tonight accompanied by...

...7 members of Sinn Fein. 🤯

Christ, I know it’s unlikely but just imagine the scenes. It’d be written about for centuries. #brexit #NoConfidenceVote

— Sam Cornwell 👙 (@Samcornwell) January 16, 2019

It’s doubly funny because it illustrates how much of a waste of time those Corbyn IRA smears are with the general public.

Tom looking his age, making me feel mine

Can you imagine having Gove commend you for your speech? I think I'd puke.

Gove killing it with a bang up to date Vicki Pollard reference

Vicky Bollard? Got his slimy finger on the pulse of the nation, doesn't he?

x-post, ha!

Like when he was asked to rap and did the Wham rap!

Gove pushing the Skripal button again, they've done their homework

Crunch time

what’s the skripal angle? i’m ion a train. that he was dovish on the russians?

I'm guessing yes

Yep, basically he can't be trusted because he loves Russia

None of these cowards are gonna vote against May I fear

Coming at 1900 on BBC2 #politicslive with @Jo_Coburn and the results of the vote of no confidence in the Government. Plus, guests: pic.twitter.com/oQSDAzut9G

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) January 16, 2019

Is that a record three people with associations involving repatriation of black and brown Britons on the panel I see?

Also John Woodcock has already said he won't vote with Labour, which I'm sure has endeared him to his constituents no end.

Can he beat the Danczuk vote at the next election?0

Bring on the Corbz smears, it really worked to their advantage at the last election didn't it?

That Richard Tice looks like a cunt straight out of 80s South Africa

Lost by 19

squeaked it

Did I miss the letterbox vote?

That seems a lot tbh. I guess all the DUP plus a couple of random feckless cunts like Woodcock?

That was squeaky! Now she’s invited all party leaders to meet with her, including JC.

Nothing unites the ruling class like the threat of socialism.

Votes not through on the app yet but I bet you’re right.

god damn it. was hoping against hope

Vote percentages: 52 noes, 48 ayes SMDH

SNP might want to reduce military spending, however, the cost of policies in the 2014 paper would have increased spending above the pro-rata of the UK defence budget and they are committed to both NATO and PESCO (if in EU) so more than 2% by default.

The 2014 White Paper advocated a points based immigration system pretty much identical to every other one on the table. Theirs would have been skewed "to benefit the economy and not flat values" which is exactly the same language as current Labour.

You've probably missed the tuition fees scandals not being in the country - they capped the amount which could be given to universities to pay for Scottish student tuition, which has led to caps on numbers of Scottish students being placed by the universities, which has led to some prospective students being turned away even (in one very newsworthy event) straight-A students.

― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:48 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok fair enough.

my point is not really in praise of the SNP, it's more that labour gets more credit than is merited on the evidence of their actual policies for being left-wing because corbyn namedrops allende and sankara

John Woodcock didn’t vote with the government - no Labour MPs did. DUP + lady hermon + Tories

Ah right, didn't realise their majority was that strong

ffs Woodcock's still blathering on about Trident like as if Corbyn's ability to commit to nuclear holocaust is what everyone is worried about rn.