"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Jesus. It’s as if we are reverting to the days of the pamphlet wars. With poorer illustrations xp

Was in a Wetherspoons last night tbh :(

my friend was horrified to receive that. I wonder why they're distributing it where they are

May won't convert 116 MPs & the EU won't budge. She'll survive the VONC & there's no majority for a 2nd ref or Norway. What are her options?

1. Adopt Labour's CU plan
2. Embrace no-deal
3. A snap GE

1 & 2 would be admissions of failure. 3 offers her a chance of redemption.

— David Timoney (@fromarsetoelbow) January 15, 2019

[banging on clipboard] snap snap SNAP SNAP... !

The other day, I was four blocks from my front door and needed a lav just a bit too urgently to make it home. Until that emergency, I classed myself as someone who wouldn’t even take a crap in a Wetherspoons.

The Wetherspoons prick is off his fucking chump tbh

(lol wins made the lobby joke i was congratulating myself for not making)

On Tuesday night Johnson was joined by other prominent Brexiter MPs, including John Redwood and Bill Cash, at a champagne celebration party at Rees-Mogg’s house.

Sir John Redwood and Sir Bill Cash, of course.

i'd like to thank ilx for forever cementing a mental connection between this historic moment in uk politics and mr blobby

VONC me blobby

10 years ago we had John Redwood, Bill Cash, Steve Food, Bob Channel Tunnel...

(the better part of the joke was nicked from Marie Le Conte)

I get that you're all cheering over May's well-deserved drubbing, but the schadenfreude is eerily reminiscent of its US variant, i.e. 'pwning the libs'. It can't be an endgame in and of itself, can it? No one seems to have the slightest clue as to what needs to be done about this cloacal mess (I don't either, of course, I'm just a bemused outsider).

We are more comfortable by and large with the prospect that all is fucked, only sacrifices to the great god Blobby can get us out of this.

i dunno if ilx has even polled the likely outcomes

The difference is the power balance. This is drinking Trump tears while waiting for his administration to collapse.

I get that you're all cheering over May's well-deserved drubbing, but the schadenfreude is eerily reminiscent of its US variant, i.e. 'pwning the libs'. It can't be an endgame in and of itself, can it? No one seems to have the slightest clue as to what needs to be done about this cloacal mess (I don't either, of course, I'm just a bemused outsider).

A bemused outsider who doesn't understand the true evil that is the Tory Party.

The similarity of Donald Tusk and Donald Trump, nominatively and pachydermically, is unnerving. I'm sure the similarity ends there, though. Oh yes, the grabbing.

as i don’t like a second referendum, my view is probably aligned most with current labour position of accept and ameliorate via common market participation. as someone pointed out on twitter yesterday this is a pragmatic, even centrist stance - it’s the supposed centrists who are proposing relitigating plebiscites, which were toxic the first time round. there’s also no indication there’s anything like enough parliamentary or party voter support for a 2nd ref.

the path to success for that is more complicated because the path to success of anything bar no deal (which doesn’t require active support) doesn’t have the numbers.

it would either require TM to reach out and offer this - she’s ruled that out - or a vote of no confidence and a GE based upon imminent and likely no deal. that as ever relies on tories not propping up a government that isn’t capable of delivering than a default no deal.

and that doesn’t necessarily solve anything of course as Labour, even if they won, would require the numbers able to pass it through parliament.

The similarity of Donald Tusk and Donald Trump, nominatively and pachydermically, is unnerving. I'm sure the similarity ends there, though. Oh yes, the grabbing.

Juncker is the grabber tbf.

"only sacrifices to the great god Blobby can get us out of this"

If that shit worked I'm sure Noel would have found enough virgin's blood to reduce lloyds bank to ashes.

I’ve been texting back and forth with my friend who literally grew up next door to David Peace, and he says all the northern working class people he grew up with outside Wakefield who voted Leave weren’t bothered one way or another about the EU but they were all about giving Cameron a bloody nose. They might well vote to stay in a second vote. The embarrass Cameron vote is strong in other places, too - even with the sort of Tory who thinks the headbangers are borderline fash.

I actually though the number of Con MPs like Heidi Allen tweeting "shocked" meant there were a large number of protest votes without thinking about the consequences last night too that might not be repeated on Monday with little to no pressure.

More outlander naïveté: why did the Tories win the 2017 snap election?

did they now

Shocked about what?

Like, if you placed a bet yesterday, the odds weren't generous at Ladbrokes.. (prob)

less facetiously: because they were the party of brexit, and because they still hadn't entirely shed david cameron's veneer of centrist common sense

xxxxp

where Peace grew up is an odd bit of W Yorkshire. I've rewired loads of its council estates and they are practically middle class in comparison to places like Chickenley which is a only few miles away but a completely different world.

lab collapse in scotland 2015 onwards is another part of the reason, pom

pls the tories we’re fighting on a significantly beneficial electoral map post-2015 disaster

plus*

all these "real leadership" Sturgeon fans seem to conveniently forget her 2nd indy reffing tactics are what handed SNP seats to the Tories.

Would it have helped Labour if the SNP had kept those seats? As Labour weren’t looking like winning them and had ruled out working with the SNP.

hmm .. that alleged coalition of chaos that Cam warned us about!

Which Labour weren’t keen on during the campaign. At all.

May refusing to confirm that the Custom's Union is a red line at PMQs, maybe? i dunno, i'm too hungover to parse this booshit

lol apostrophe

'support' for any of these options is always contextual though - what's been ruled out, what's left on the table, what might be brought back to the table via some sweaty fanfic you read on Twitter last night.

More outlander naïveté: why did the Tories win the 2017 snap election?

― pomenitul, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 12:00 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also, they didn't. nobody won the election. they got the most number of seats but had to form a coalition gov with the DUP

so: not promising that she won't get an A50 extension, not promising that Customs Union isn't an option

i get a vibe that she'll take any deal that she can call Brexit at this point, that may be what amounts to her strategy now

If there’s a GE, can we rely on Northern Irish Remain voters to come out in their droves to kick the DUP to fuck?

revoke article 50 and call it brexit imo xp

Yes, but what she'll call Brexit is dramatically narrower than almost everyone else bar the headbangers. A Brexit that doesn't allow you to put FUCK OFF HOME posters in every shop window and on every privately-owned train is not a Brexit worth mentioning to her, and that still seems to be v. much the case xp

I should've known better than to speak of 'winning' – we occasionally get hung parliaments in Canada too. Anyway, thanks, all, for the insight.

xps

(at least, she's acting that way - i guess because the one thing that could lose her the VONC is pissing off the fash)

I’ve got a question about the potential ideal scenario

say labour wins a VONC, a GE is called and they stand on a platform to respect the result, renegotiate with different red lines, and hold a ratification referendum of some sort.

what happens if they renegotiate a norway+/permanent CU/BINO - I can see how you can maybe square it away with the public (you voted to leave, we’re leaving, the tory approach led to intractable standstill, this is the only path forward short of catastrophic no deal etc etc)

but how will they square that away with the press ? the braying will be LOUD

If there’s a GE, can we rely on Northern Irish Remain voters to come out in their droves to kick the DUP to fuck?

all these "real leadership" Sturgeon fans seem to conveniently forget her 2nd indy reffing tactics are what handed SNP seats to the Tories.

if labour under corbyn achieve power the braying will be loud anyway. fuck the press

xxp How would Corbyn's Labour in power deal with the press is a very open question though - they were largely against him at the last election and he mostly shrugged them off.