there need to be some serious public interest articles on how image recognition “ai” works in practice
I had a few misconceptions, even as a software developer and after doing a couple workshops my perception of the whole thing shifted. Any company that has tech that seems to be getting incrementally better is using your data to get better. Because terms of service are vague and public perception is low
The Ring doorbell/camera articles this week made me think of this, but it’s been on my mind. any image recognition thing at this point is trained — meaning the dumb captcha images on the web, or stock photos of a thousand garbage trucks, or a comapny’s pictures of its products
it’s literally just “smash image data into component parts” and then comparing those parts to what is known. a car is some curves and reflectivity, maybe motion, that match up with things that have been tagged as “cars”. and it’s more abstract than that!
― mh, Friday, 11 January 2019 04:04 (seven years ago)
Have you seen the dog / trombone example? They trained an AI to recognize dogs and a few other things and then changed just enough pixels to flip one picture from being seen as a dog to being seen as a trombone.
Other examples:https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/30/fool_ai_image_classifier_by_changing_single_pixel/
― koogs, Friday, 11 January 2019 04:13 (seven years ago)
Late to the Theranos story - just finished Bad Blood which is great but I want to see/know more! What on earth were all those people who worked there actually doing? It sounds like literally nothing was invented, innovated, no new research, just janky combinations of robot arms messing up blood samples.
― kinder, Thursday, 24 January 2019 21:58 (seven years ago)
That one-pixel-change magic is seriously weird and also funny, but it really brings home that these algorithms simultaneously work on some quite alien level to human understanding, but not because they're smart, just a multi-dimensional numerical soup where you change one number by 0.01 and suddenly the main coefficient wipes out all the other dimensions
for a more mundane angle on the same thing, I like this articlehttp://rocknrollnerd.github.io/ml/2015/05/27/leopard-sofa.html
(sorry kinder, I don't know, hope someone else will answer! I did read a good article on Theranos a while back but I haven't read Bad Blood so I'm p. sure nothing in it would be new to you)
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 24 January 2019 22:14 (seven years ago)
I enjoyed that blog and then oh god the comments
― kinder, Thursday, 24 January 2019 22:28 (seven years ago)
i think something underplayed in bad blood is how much of what they did was just expected behavior from a startup. also underplayed -- mattis leaping from one blustering charlatan to the next.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 24 January 2019 22:33 (seven years ago)
That one-pixel-change thing is also reminiscent of this: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/3/13507542/facial-recognition-glasses-trick-impersonate-fool
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 25 January 2019 04:20 (seven years ago)
there's a william gibson book (zero history) where he postulates that there's a pattern (the world's ugliest t-shirt) that all the world's image recognition software is programmed to ignore, rendering you invisible to cctv, the same way photocopiers won't copy bank notes because of a five dot pattern.
towards the bottom, here: http://jesse-pearson.com/interviews/william-gibson/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation
(maybe this is something for the algorithms thread)
― koogs, Friday, 25 January 2019 10:13 (seven years ago)
I dunno how mad to be about sponsoring without due diligence (or maybe it passed all the due diligence checks), but those quotes from the speaker, what the hell
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/01/google-facebook-and-microsoft-sponsored-a-conference-that-promoted-climate-change-denial/
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 25 January 2019 22:54 (seven years ago)
i'm shocked. shocked!
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/01/bezos-health-venture-has-no-name-yet-but-is-already-embroiled-in-litigation/
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 26 January 2019 15:37 (seven years ago)
should I start a standalone Theranos/Holmes thread? seems like we might have enough material now that there's the book and upcoming documentary
― mh, Monday, 28 January 2019 15:52 (seven years ago)
as much as i love lolling at the shamelessness and incompetence of theranos' scam and plan to continue to do so as much as possible in the future, i do kinda prefer the idea of making this a megathread of roffles at the expense of silicon valley disruption assholes
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 16:13 (seven years ago)
(i didn't realise there was a theranos doc on the way btw, i am psyched)
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 16:14 (seven years ago)
tbf theranos was only SV-like and not really SV in practice
elizabeth holmes, on the other hand, is an otherwordly golem manufactured from SV soil
― mh, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:23 (seven years ago)
fair
feel free to start a thread ofc, i'm not gonna turn down an opportunity to dunk on theranos across multiple places on ilx
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 16:25 (seven years ago)
maybe I'll wait for the doc
recommending the book again, though. it's just so ridiculous
― mh, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:36 (seven years ago)
oh it's a pageturner alright - watching holmes and her partner paint themselves into an ever-tighter corner is great, but reading about the corporate rubes who were terrified of missing out on the next big thing despite it being obviously fucked from the start is even better imo
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 16:40 (seven years ago)
like, so much for the myth of the omnicompetence of corporate decisionmakers
that sunny guy seems like a motherfucker with some dark secrets
― mh, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:42 (seven years ago)
Yeah even more so than Holmes herself, who seems like a straight-ahead con artist out for money, power, and fame.
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Monday, 28 January 2019 17:35 (seven years ago)
start a thread! I'm fascinated by the machinations of all of it.
― kinder, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:47 (seven years ago)
See also this new podcast about the Theranos con: http://abcradio.com/podcasts/the-dropout/
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:45 (seven years ago)
are there any interesting bets on who the current theranoses are?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 00:27 (seven years ago)
wework
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:29 (seven years ago)
i mean any businesses applying a startup #growth mindset to medical technology is prima facie a concern, but i can't think of anyone operating on a theranos scale in that sector. maybe ubiome? they just fired 50 people https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/22/ubiome-job-cuts-more-than-50.html.
but wework seems like a ponzi scheme.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:32 (seven years ago)
the core concept of wework isn't absurd and it seems like there's gotta be a way to make the business model work. I think the question is if their ridiculous overexpansion / stupid side projects are gonna make the reasonable part of their business completely impossible to sustain even if they shutter half of them and raised prices. (and I think the answer is yeah probably.)
― iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:46 (seven years ago)
I'm amazed by how many coworking spaces exist in my small city tbh
― mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:48 (seven years ago)
the premise of coworking spaces is sound. i'm talking about wework's financial structure in particular.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:05 (seven years ago)
is it... like of like a three-dimensional triangle, perhaps one commonly with four sides?
― mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:07 (seven years ago)
the guy next to us on this flight straight up brought a plain dodecahedron as his personal item pic.twitter.com/ZjWuwkpwsj— kimmy (@ka_waltz) June 8, 2017
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:11 (seven years ago)
ffs that's an icosahedron.
― large bananas pregnant (ledge), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:25 (seven years ago)
is this the thread where we talk about Munchery?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:15 (seven years ago)
Please do.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:15 (seven years ago)
Let me help!
https://medium.com/@lenoreestrada/munchery-how-a-venture-backed-startup-swindled-a-group-of-women-and-minority-owned-companies-out-e64ee610511b?mc_cid=27ec9eb158&mc_eid=aa9d9f0811
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:16 (seven years ago)
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/24/after-an-abrupt-shutdown-muncherys-small-business-vendors-are-the-ones-picking-up-the-bill/
if only I had a local munchery
― mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 02:59 (seven years ago)
I’m having trouble articulating just how deeply angry this one makes me. Partly bc the entire category has always been bullshit, partly bc of a VC culture that dismisses skepticism as a character flaw, partly bc jesus fkn christ the specific managers flying this particular zeppelin knew what was coming way in advance.I’m sure there’s a bridge loan that didn’t come through or whatever and steady as she goes and blah blah blah but leaving employees and vendors holding the bag while setting 150 million dollars on fire... I hope none of these people ever work again, and I guess I’m also furious bc they’ll just fail upwards.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 05:57 (seven years ago)
yeah fuuuuuuuuck those assholes. i would contribute to a gofundme to pay off these businesses, would go gangbusters in "fuck those assholes" circles i bet.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 13:20 (seven years ago)
following this clusterfuck live:https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/
tl;dr version: facebook was using a VPN company they bought as a way to figure out what people do, by watching all of their traffic. apple dumped their app, so they've been pretending it's something called "facebook research" and paying people to install it manually.
shit got real earlier today when apple invalidated their app-signing certificate. a no-brainer, considering they're supposed to be only used for companies to have in-house apps that aren't publicly available, or for internal testing.
it turns out the geniuses at facebook had exactly one enterprise account, and now none of their internal company apps, including one they use for transportation (?) are working at all
― mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:20 (seven years ago)
story on that latter point
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/30/18203551/apple-facebook-blocked-internal-ios-apps
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:32 (seven years ago)
love imagining thousands of software devs milling around not knowing how to get lunch
aw yeah this is extremely my shit
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:38 (seven years ago)
using their enterprise cert... I don't even know what the fuck they were thinking. it's just a dumbass move of epic proportions
― mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:46 (seven years ago)
this is an unusually good scoop from fundamentally unserious fool josh constine
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1003329836574654464/pDmyoRm9_400x400.jpg
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 19:49 (seven years ago)
that’s... a lot of looks
― maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:07 (seven years ago)
caek otm, I was in awe that he did some decent reporting without sounding like he was firmly wedged up the ass of a new startup that sells electric propeller hats
― mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:16 (seven years ago)
ou sont les biddles d'antan
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:19 (seven years ago)
lol: https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/30/googles-also-peddling-a-data-collector-through-apples-back-door/
― rob, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 20:24 (seven years ago)
After we asked Google whether its app violated Apple policy, Google announced it will remove Screenwise Meter from Apple’s Enterprise Certificate program and disable it on iOS devices.
oh shit guys they saw us, run!
― mh, Thursday, 31 January 2019 01:40 (seven years ago)
https://undark.org/article/junk-science-or-real-thing-inference/
Several articles on the site argued against the theory of evolution, for example, and at least one dismissed the overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming. Later, through tax documents and interviews, I would learn that all of Inference’s funding came from a surprising source: Peter Thiel. Since Inference’s start, Thiel, a prominent Silicon Valley venture capitalist, has donated at least $1.7 million to the outlet.
Peter Thiel has been funding a junk science publication that whitewashes their bad takes on evolution and global warming by paying legit scientists and writers to contribute real content
― mh, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:23 (seven years ago)