Democratic (Party) Direction

Biden is pissed that the DNC told him to step aside so Hilary could run in '16.

AOC is like a Messi, game changer straight out the gate

I mean yeah this "70% tax on income over 10m" seems to already be shifting the Overton window which is something Dems have always been really bad at

lol

Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016. pic.twitter.com/KECU6gWwb3

— Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) January 7, 2019

Yeah, that's completely untrue. Read the columns in question: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html. He slammed Sanders for idiotic claims about growth. As he said:

Mr. Sanders is calling for a large expansion of the U.S. social safety net, which is something I would like to see, too. But the problem with such a move is that it would probably create many losers as well as winners — a substantial number of Americans, mainly in the upper middle class, who would end up paying more in additional taxes than they would gain in enhanced benefits.

By endorsing outlandish economic claims, the Sanders campaign is basically signaling that it doesn’t believe its program can be sold on the merits, that it has to invoke a growth miracle to minimize the downsides of its vision. It is, in effect, confirming its critics’ worst suspicions.

Basically, AOC is so much better than Sanders, and people should stop trying to use her to make Sanders seem good.

When yer right, yer right.

nobody wants to say this but I have no tact, so: when is someone going to fling a bullet at AOC. this election cycle?

obviously I'm rooting for her hard but I think some form of Kevlar should be in permanent use by now

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

I will forever be amazed that no one managed to take a shot at Obama during his tenure

you'd hope she already has shit-hot security

I'm amazed nearly every day no-one has tried to take out Trump yet tbh

or am I being too cynical about dear old America

― imago, Monday, January 7, 2019 10:35 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah. It's just that the shots being constantly fired over here seem to rarely have coherently political intent. It's probably more likely that someone will shoot up a Foot Locker because the commies are overtaking us.

I don't think she's any more likely to be targeted than any other visible member of congress.

Secret Service protection of the president is 100x greater than any security provided to members of the House of Representatives. afaik, representatives have zilch once they step away from the Capitol or their offices, unless they pay for it themselves. Look at Gabrielle Giffords.

yeah I don't think they have any security detail at all

well, according to Fox News, the AOC dancing "controversy" was a false flag. no conservatives were actually outraged. actually they were laughing about it, about how not-outraged they were. checkmate, libs.

Dear Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC I ask that you guide my thoughts, my feelings and my perceptions. AMEN pic.twitter.com/ztY0GIuuqb

— RuPaul (@RuPaul) January 6, 2019

between this and Cher she really is getting the heavyweight endorsements

btw Ilhan is pretty much just as good

🙄 https://t.co/CzU0blv9kW

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) January 7, 2019

I'd read this but...idk, I'd like to be convinced its ok and its not something that comes back to bite. You think AOC and Ro (and Omar!) got this one wrong?
― anvil, Monday, 7 January 2019 07:54 (fifteen hours ago)

IDK does that mean the shit ton of republicans who voted the way they did got it right? From AOC’s perspective and other Dems who voted w her it was a futile vote but meant to maybe signal to leadership “hey we got big progressive legislation planned don’t try take a side against it”.

The republicans had different reasons for voting against this bill.

Also i really hope aoc has a secret service detail. I think they know she has more enemies than other members of congress and adjust accordingly, as I expect they also do with pelosi et al. However, who knows?

she does not

we went over this

Pelosi does because she's in the line of succession for the presidency

AOC does not have any kind of Secret Service detail. That's not how it works.

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors.

Not a huge fan of that sort of thinking, to be honest. And I am pretty much in her camp.

That’s fucked up. They should respond to intelligence reports and seem to prevent attacks.

xp

Aoc has shifted on that point—she praised fact checkefs today and says everyone should want to be held accountable.

nor does Pelosi, FWIW - she would have a Capitol Police detail that travels with her, outside of House and Senate leadership they don't even get that

Secret Service details for all 535 member of Congress would be impossible and unnecessary.

@EmmaVigeland
Paul Krugman’s positive (and correct) article about Ocasio-Cortez’s tax ideas is perplexing. He slammed Bernie Sanders for similar ideas in 2016.

Thank god Nobel Prize in economics winner Emma Vigeland was there to approbate Krugman's (correct) take on economic policy and I wasn't sure what to make of this nobody.

I know. But I thought adjustments were made if they had intelligence that a certain member could be a target.

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors.

Not a huge fan of that sort of thinking, to be honest. And I am pretty much in her camp.

― Van Horn Street, 8. januar 2019 00:51 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was taken out of context. The full quote is: “There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right. And whenever I make a mistake, I say, "OK, this was clumsy." and then I restate what my point was. But it's— it's not the same thing as— as the President lying about immigrants. It's not the same thing, at all.”

“And whenever I make a mistake, I say, "OK, this was clumsy." and then I restate what my point was. But it's— it's not the same thing as— as the President lying about immigrants. It's not the same thing, at all.” - the next sentence

Cover the quote in context, thanks. https://t.co/e5zHw4uHaw

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 7, 2019

xp :)

Thanks for the context, it is 2019 and I still have not learned to ignore twitter.

But I still don't like the idea of admitting people care more for being "morally right" than factual details, those two things shouldn't oppose each other. Plus comparing one sin to the many sins of the lowest of lows is not exactly a standard of excellence I think AOC belongs to.

Good answer imo

Meghan McCain: "Do you agree that @AOC and the ideology of the socialist left could splinter your party?@KamalaHarris: "No...she is introducing bold ideas that should be discussed." pic.twitter.com/M7f61VXaCH

— Waleed Shahid (@_waleedshahid) January 9, 2019

The fuller answer in the clip is better

it's too bad brain cancer isn't hereditary

Classic Outic.

More like OUCHic

THAT IS A SIGMA

take it to the “fuck cancer” thread.

Hm, I actually felt like Harris's comment about AOC there was somewhat distancing and patronizing.

I used to teach... and the thing I love about teaching is it requires you to always examine a premise... Let's look at the bold ideas! And I'm eager that we have those discussions. And when we are able to defend the status quo let's do it, and when there's not merit to that, let's explore new ideas."

AOC is not Harris's student, just throwing bold ideas out there to be discussed and decided on by a superior. (Or is she?) Tbf, she was answering a question about whether the ideas could splinter the party and not what she thinks of the ideas but she does seem to be assuming that a more left platform won't garner wider support in and of itself.

Hm, I actually felt like Harris's comment about AOC there was somewhat distancing and patronizing.

In a different context I'd probably agree, but there I thought that was a pretty good answer - and if someone just shows up and literally start moving the overton window while you are sat in it, how much choice do you have anyway

Yes it's a good answer!

I don't know much about ms Harris except that a UK paper says she could be the next POTUS.

As good of a shot as 20 other Democrats, at least.

Who do you think has the best chances, milo?

That is such a professor answer. I get annoyed by the professors I know on fb who want to keep discussion open and civil and I am like "can you please just call this guy an asshole and unfriend him, ffs."

I wouldn't begin to place a bet on the Democratic field, aside from maybe one against the winner being an old white man.

beto: hey look at me I'm not old

i'm eyeing the contenders to see whose stances on the issues are as good as Bernie's

still looking