2020 Democratic presidential primary

i don't think we need someone who's just been clued in to progressive thought. i'm all for people evolving but i want someone whose commitments run deep.

And Buttigieg! What about my man Buttigieg?!

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:11 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It is happening people

NEW: At an off-the-record with journalists and political types in Manhattan last night at @MollyJongFast's house, South Bend Mayor @PeteButtigieg left the distinct impression he's not only running for president in 2020 but could announce very soon, per attendees.

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) January 5, 2019

the mayor of south bend?

FOR NOW

Let’s get more mayors running for President imo

Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kucinich

Running for prez is a demanding gig. He should quit his day job or at least take a pay cut for all the hours he's going to be futzing around in Iowa this year.

that's always the issue with officeholders running for a higher office

i don't think we need someone who's just been clued in to progressive thought. i'm all for people evolving but i want someone whose commitments run deep.

Pretty rich coming from someone who's on here literally every day wide-eyed with shock after learning some thing the rest of us have known for decades.

Further, re Gillibrand:

14. It is beginning with AOC, even as we speak. The "narrative" is that (because she's young, female, & attractive) she's a ditz. Journos will pluck things out of context, quote anonymous sources, refer to one another ... the narrative will be self-reinforcing.

— David Roberts (@drvox) January 4, 2019

Sorry, the start of the thread is here:

1. Since we're thinking about the role of media bullshit in presidential campaigns, let's take a look at how it works. As a preface to this thread: I like Gillibrand fine, but I'm not stanning for her or anything -- this is just an examination of media dynamics.

— David Roberts (@drvox) January 4, 2019

"she's a ditz" thinks no one for real but people who voted for 2scoops. who gives a shit about them

unperson: use the killfile feature. i don’t want to hear your thoughts on how i am too young and naive. it’s really not wnjoyable or helpful for me.

i don't think we need someone who's just been clued in to progressive thought. i'm all for people evolving but i want someone whose commitments run deep.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 11:18 PM (yesterday)

A commitment can't run deep if it's been made recently? This is ridiculous and unperson is otm. How old does commitment to progressivism have to be before it's ripe enough to consume?

Why would someone vote for her when they could vote for Warren?

The candidate sets the priorities of the party. It’s different if someone is learning to embrace economic progressivism vs. It being the central theme of their political career for 6+ years. It’s different to me anyway.

just heard a soundbite of Warren defining her career in terms of "working families"

ok, NEXT

I don't expect everyone's progressivism to be deeply rooted, but I can see how it could be risky to bank on someone's political commitments when those commitments are currently in flux.

Oh cool this argument again

why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know

lot of "smart" democrats, esp of the hilary over bernie types, are being very critical of AOCs gaffes and presumed lack of smarts.

Don't know about the gaffes but other dems have a lot to learn from her top-tier meme game.

what gaffes? I wasn't aware of any so far. She's under such scrutiny by opponents looking for flaws that those who would like to create that narrative will magnify whatever they find to enormous proportions, like those electron microscope pictures of dust mites.

She once referred to the 'three chambers of Congress'. Utterly unforgivable.

AOC saying things other politicians are afraid Chuck Todd will make a sad face at them if they say = "gaffes"

I think this might be a fantasy

“lot of "smart" democrats, esp of the hilary over bernie types, are being very critical of AOCs gaffes and presumed lack of smarts.”
― dan selzer, Saturday, 5 January 2019 18:21

Seriously?

I'm responding to the many threads I've seen on facebook from Hillary supporting liberal democrats critiquing AOCs gaffes, like the aforementioned 3 chambers of congress thing. There are other cases where her numbers didn't add up and it's not just republicans who are calling attention to that.

I voted for her, I still donate monthly, I marched with her in Corona. I'm a fan. But it's bullshit to think only Trump voters are critical of her.

Anyway, AOC describing Ben Shapiro as a catcaller for challenging her to a debate and that line about how republicans are 'drooling over footage of her in slo-mo' were first-rate zingers, much better than Warren's lame response to Trump's third grade 'Pocahontas' schtick. Such moments matter when politics is a mere extension of middle school.

Yeah I follow a fair amount of people like that and the lib vs left discourse stuff very closely and the people get mad at her “gaffes” is 100% from conservatives from what I’ve seen.

xpost

I guess it wouldn’t shock me if there were like two people in comment sections/twitter threads like that

Although I will say the amount of people I’ve seen echoing the nonsensical “Bernie is Putin’s puppet” stuff I’ve encountered is scary off the charts in volume lately, so maybe it’s out there.

The Terry McAuliffe wing of the party is growing tinier by the day. Let them fizzle out without undue attention.

Terry McAuliffe restored the franchise to thousands of Virginians with felony convictions in his gubernatorial term, I know he was a Clinton-era apparatchik but he has done at least that one unqualified good thing.

Restoring voting rights to felons is baseline liberal policy. Congratulations to him, I guess.

I’m not saying vote for him for president or anything I just wanted to mention it

If he hadn't done that, Ralph Northam would've. It was inevitable.

My gripe with McAuliffe is now he wants to be the "common sense" guy and say things like no-cost university education and Medicare for All are extreme pipe dreams and devoting energy to them is a fool's errand. Go piss in someone else's punch, my guy.

*punch pissing comment @ McAuliffe, not you silby

leaning, leaning

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/beto-orourke-2020-campaign-decision-1088552

politico's hard-on for Beto is really gross

yup

I'm surprised they haven't written something like "This smooth, long piece of Texas beef jerky stands the best chance of beating Donald Trump in 2020..."

guess not throwing up on himself on tv wasn't enough

Sen. Murkowski says she’s going to share her concerns about government funding impasse with Trump today. She wants party to reopen government and deal with border fight after

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) January 9, 2019

Collins, Murkowski, and Gardner aren't going to be enough to sway McConnell to bring a bill to the floor that Trump will veto. I doubt he'll do it even if enough of his caucus is willing to defy the shitbag and vote to override said veto.

uh these should go on the rolling US politics thread, no?

yeah sorry, wrong thread.

Down the thread, Gillibrand’s spokesperson says she regrets this. But what I really think former con/centrist Dems need to do if they want people to take their conversion seriously is explain forthrightly why they took these positions in the past beyond “my views evolved” stuff. https://t.co/oN6mcpNUdj

— Josh Mound (@JoshuaMound) January 18, 2019

explain forthrightly why they took these positions in the past

"When you run for office, it is better to win than to lose. When you need to attract the votes of thousands of people who aren't exact duplicates of yourself, you sometimes take positions that appeal to them more than the positions that appeal to you."

That's a shitty answer that would, ironically, lead to its speaker losing. Which is why we're seeing these half-assed apologies instead.

yeah no sane candidate is going to say "i took this terrible position that i didn't actually believe in because i wanted to win"