2020 Democratic presidential primary

Ugliness and hatred can be popular but they’re not “cool,” which denotes calmness and self-command

I just think the word “cool” is wrong for a demagogue

itt we figure out what is “cool”

People found him thrilling, transgressive and bold—fine

Sure. "cool" has always been a nebulous word, in every way, but being a total asshole is cool to tons of people! people think Bolsonaro is "cool." but we're splitting hairs - it's not hard for me to see why Trump was appealing against HRC for lots of people.

I don’t think he has made his supporters happier by stoking their resentment and feat.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 1:54 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure anything has ever made them happier.

"thrilling" I think gets at it, he was also the "change" candidate - for worse in our eyes, for better in the eyes of people who hated Obama.

To be honest, I intellectually get it, but on a gut level I realy don’t. And I’m not even the most left wing ilxor.

stroking their feet

the only unique characteristic Trump really has is a total lack of shame; he's not afraid to say something stupid, incendiary, racist, or completely false. which, in America, means billions of dollars worth of free news coverage

and appeals to everyone who wishes they could be so "free" in their speech and behavior, and those who have been punished or shamed for it.

Trump won because he's too cool for school.

And I’m not even the most left wing ilxor.

left-wing ilxors probably wouldn't think it's totally inconsequential for the unelected monarch of another country to fire your government and place the opposition in power, no.

?

some of you guys have a wearing cargo shorts to a restaurant idea of cool.

I dont know what sic is talking about

I’m not the most informed ilxor either

P sure none of us were cool

That's why you didn't vote for Biff.

trump as reaction to sjw id politics prob makes the most sense out of any of these theories tbh

were people actually bouncing these off as real theories? I figured people took an early friday to get drunk.

welp
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/kirsten-gillibrand-reaches-out-to-wall-street-execs-about-potential-2020-run-for-president.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

If 'perceived as cool' is code for 'intuitively grasps rhetoric', then I think it's a serious theory.

xp

If peeing your pants is cool etc

welp so much for Gillibrand's ability (previously pretty good!) to sense which way the wind is blowing

'Fake news' – problem solved.

xp

Gillibran worked for two of the biggest law firms in Manhattan, there is no way she is giving up donations from law firms and finance. Fundraising seems like the worst thing about running for office.

this seems about right

This is not particularly big or shocking news for a politician from New York, but the fact that lots of Dems in my feed are dunking on it suggests there's not much appetite for a Gillibrand candidacy. https://t.co/AKDkNoOxzO

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 4, 2019

In primaries, it's almost like it doesn't matter what the news peg is. It can be good news, bad news, big news or some dumb stupid narrative. It's mostly just an excuse to do a temperature check on how everyone feels about a candidate.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 4, 2019

a temperature check on how everyone feels about a candidate

as calculated for a limited set of "everyone"

maybe i'm being generous but that feels like a slightly sarcastic "everyone"

I dont know what sic is talking about

your conception of facts about international politics, as expressed in your posts

some of you guys have a wearing cargo shorts to a restaurant idea of cool.

― Yerac, Friday, January 4, 2019 3:11 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we don't. millions of Americans do. I think that's safe to say.

I've never even seen millions of americans, who are all these people

no, you just don't get it *puts head down on desk like hero john oliver* elizabeth warren and HRC, that's who's cool america! ruth bader ginsburg is a badass! you curs, you walmart patrons.. read my post america!!!!!!!!

Even things that apply to less than 1% of Americans can involve three million people.

I don't care what racists think is cool.

This is such a weird turn.

not really, it was a digression about how much personality and superficial qualities factor in elections. and I don't think it can be understated.

I've never even seen millions of americans, who are all these people

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby)

on the news & in the papers every day

there's only like 4 other people in the room with me, there's like 20 cars out the window, you're telling me there's millions of americans? fat chance

I really don't know why people vote for one bland white man over another. Tallness, fewer swift boaters, bitchbrow, prospective free peanuts?

I dont know what sic is talking about

your conception of facts about international politics, as expressed in your posts

― sans lep (sic), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:54 (yesterday) Permalink

I just have no clue what you’re referencing. Perhaps you’re mixing me up with another poster.

I don’t care though

just so Gillibrand doesn't get uniquely pilloried for this

Some context: Almost every significant possible 2020 Democratic candidate, including Gillibrand, has been reaching out to New York/Wall Street for months, though typically they've reserved explicitly talking 2020. https://t.co/wlMiNWTrFp https://t.co/rk91dfCP7w

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) January 4, 2019

I hate concentration of economic power/wealth. But I still kind of still live in NYC sometimes and have worked on "wall street" (two major investment banks and one of the big three ratings agencies), while having super leftist views and knowing others with super leftist views or are self proclaimed bleeding heart liberals. It's an industry like any other with jobs that end up going to low wage immigrants supporting families on one salary. All of it has to change. I just really don't know how to most effectively manipulate the system that exists and actually win. You can get an AOC but she is a unicorn in a perfect set of circumstances; and I love her for existing. I just really know that voting in another white man is nothing more than treading water while holding a cinderblock above our heads.

I mean, AOC probably has lots of connections to elites she could reach out to if she felt it was worth the potential compromise down the line.

the way campaigns are financed need to be reformed. but the system being what it is, most candidates will need to play ball. the only way to self-fund a campaign is to have some massive grassroots movement like bernie did, which is not going to happen to someone like gillibrand.

xpost, she was working in a bar before she was running for office. I've worked in a bar/record store in brooklyn, I dunno if i would've known who to reach out to besides someone who knew, like, The R4pture, Br00klyn Brewery or d selzer. I then went to an investment bank literally one day randomly. it opens up an entire world that is not actually a much different place. Non-white non-old wealth men have to work within an entirely different world. She has a lot of connections now. She doesn't have to use them now and this is not the norm.

i mean, i'll bet since AOC became prominent a lot of people she's met along the way who she might have never really been close to would be open to hearing from her

old college classmates etc

Like, I haven't had to struggle despite a lot of things not being in my favor. But this is not the norm, and I keep in mind constantly that this is not the norm. I understand why people like Hillary Clinton have had to approach and manage their situation by the year in which they were born. It sucks. You can judge them but judge the white men who made it this decrepit, cowardly society first.