2020 Democratic presidential primary

Still say guitar virtuoso should be next nom

I am so going to make some Kim Deal for President shirts

Beyonce is 104% perfect iirc. xps

Carter Playboy interview etc

― Οὖτις, 4. januar 2019 18:55 (thirty minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink

omg, is this where Playboi Carti got his name from?

Carter also had the Allman Bros. and The Band campaigning for him.

This sort of gets at what I'm saying, though. Cool pop stars, anyone who might be the equivalent of those, who loved Obama, hated Trump and favoured Hillary. Young people liked Obama and were turned off by Trump. SNL, whose mockery obstensibly hurt Ford, devoted themselves to mocking Trump. Trump didn't have swagger when he debated HRC; he was uptight, gloomy, and easily riled, while she laughed him off. If you wanted, you could just as easily argue that his win was a repudiation of coolness.

all of that conveyed "cool" to fox news dads i think. idk. the term is pretty useless.

he was only cool when he was belittling Jeb!

Sund4r - you're right, Trump was flummoxed in his debates against HRC. but he annihilated everyone in the GOP debates. "charisma" might be a more useful term, but again, I'm sure no one itt finds Trump charismatic. but he had "swagger" at all those rallies - he was an unrepentant asshole, spoke extemporaneously, was able to come off as "authentic" despite being a pathological, delusional liar. and all that stuff is appealing to MAGAland. as far as the swing voters, the midwest, the people that voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general, well, I think we can chalk that up to 2016's anti-establishment "fuck it, blow the whole thing up" mentality. they didn't care about the Access Hollywood tape, they thought it was anodyne "locker room talk" in contrast to HRC's evasiveness, prevaricating, stiffness, and mountains of scandals thru the years, culminating in the emails.

if HRC had won, the coolness streak would've been broken.

times Trump was "cool": making Christie order the meatloaf/ telling him he can't have any more oreos and telling him to "get on the plane and go home"

and

https://goo.gl/images/fbfCf2

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161129212927-trump-romney-exlarge-169.jpg

causing Ted Cruz to have to publicly deny his dad killed JFK was undeniably cool and funny though I would never claim that Trump himself is either of those things

^haha yes and yes obv he's just being an unrepentant asshole. but boy if there were ever three guys who deserved it

I'm not even sure his GOP debate performance was really much for his fellow bullying assholes to get that excited about. In the land of the spineless jellyfish, the man who's all brainstem is gonna be king.

to paraphrase marco rubio, let's dispense with the notion that any of us itt find Trump cool. we are talking about factors in primary and general elections that appeal to millions of Americans. I don't find it difficult to put myself in the mind of one of these people, but I have a pretty low opinion of the intelligence and sophistication of most of our country.

the word "cool" can't be used, even in a qualified sense, to describe a person whose entire campaign was traumatic to the people who paid attention to it.

xpost It's 'dispel with' flappy, get it right.

Do you remember how sickening it was the night he was elected?

SNL, whose mockery obstensibly hurt Ford, devoted themselves to mocking Trump.

This is totally innacurate. They brought him on as host ffs. I havent watched it since.

lol right right, my b

xp treesh - his campaign clearly was not traumatic for the millions of people who voted for him

They brought him on as host ffs. I havent watched it since.

― Οὖτις, Friday, January 4, 2019 1:52 PM (twelve seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

x2, lifelong megafan before that, f u lorne

I think they might have been. He laid the seeds of paranoia that grew into things like Q Anon. I don’t think he has made his supporters happier by stoking their resentment and feat.

Do you remember how sickening it was the night he was elected?

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 2:52 PM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh my god. Yes! Of course! For the first time since 9/11 the future was wiped COMPLETELY blank, and I was petrified. I was, we were. millions of others were thrilled, others were cautiously optimistic, more still maybe regretted their vote. but we are not representative of the United States.

Ugliness and hatred can be popular but they’re not “cool,” which denotes calmness and self-command

I just think the word “cool” is wrong for a demagogue

itt we figure out what is “cool”

People found him thrilling, transgressive and bold—fine

Sure. "cool" has always been a nebulous word, in every way, but being a total asshole is cool to tons of people! people think Bolsonaro is "cool." but we're splitting hairs - it's not hard for me to see why Trump was appealing against HRC for lots of people.

I don’t think he has made his supporters happier by stoking their resentment and feat.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 1:54 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure anything has ever made them happier.

"thrilling" I think gets at it, he was also the "change" candidate - for worse in our eyes, for better in the eyes of people who hated Obama.

To be honest, I intellectually get it, but on a gut level I realy don’t. And I’m not even the most left wing ilxor.

stroking their feet

the only unique characteristic Trump really has is a total lack of shame; he's not afraid to say something stupid, incendiary, racist, or completely false. which, in America, means billions of dollars worth of free news coverage

and appeals to everyone who wishes they could be so "free" in their speech and behavior, and those who have been punished or shamed for it.

Trump won because he's too cool for school.

And I’m not even the most left wing ilxor.

left-wing ilxors probably wouldn't think it's totally inconsequential for the unelected monarch of another country to fire your government and place the opposition in power, no.

?

some of you guys have a wearing cargo shorts to a restaurant idea of cool.

I dont know what sic is talking about

I’m not the most informed ilxor either

P sure none of us were cool

That's why you didn't vote for Biff.

trump as reaction to sjw id politics prob makes the most sense out of any of these theories tbh

were people actually bouncing these off as real theories? I figured people took an early friday to get drunk.

welp
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/kirsten-gillibrand-reaches-out-to-wall-street-execs-about-potential-2020-run-for-president.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

If 'perceived as cool' is code for 'intuitively grasps rhetoric', then I think it's a serious theory.

xp

If peeing your pants is cool etc

welp so much for Gillibrand's ability (previously pretty good!) to sense which way the wind is blowing

'Fake news' – problem solved.

xp

Gillibran worked for two of the biggest law firms in Manhattan, there is no way she is giving up donations from law firms and finance. Fundraising seems like the worst thing about running for office.