2020 Democratic presidential primary

W was more popular with the Supreme Court, that's why he won

Trump was more popular/"cool" with the voters that mattered, that's why he won

thanks, it’s all clear now.

Trump is a demon from hell

He’s not even a person

I don’t think he fits into this schema at all. His campaign was rooted in lies, paranoia and hatred and was a giant scam.

I'm still not 100% convinced he isn't that fungus-covered bean bag chair I threw out in college.

he absolutely does, he's the apotheosis of it

xp

There needs to be a law that anybody who has had a television show or bern in a movie cannot run for office

Are we arguing that the Supreme Court is persuaded by coolness? Did I miss something?

Anyway, if you're right, it seems that the Dems could win every election by nominating the hippest liberal celebrity du jour.

liberal celebrities are not cool

I mean, unless the meaning of "cool" is so open and nebulous that it's ... not really worth thinking about. xp

was Carter cooler than Ford

yes!

Carter Playboy interview etc

He could breakdance

James Taylor 2020. It's time, folks.

Still say guitar virtuoso should be next nom

I am so going to make some Kim Deal for President shirts

Beyonce is 104% perfect iirc. xps

Carter Playboy interview etc

― Οὖτις, 4. januar 2019 18:55 (thirty minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink

omg, is this where Playboi Carti got his name from?

Carter also had the Allman Bros. and The Band campaigning for him.

This sort of gets at what I'm saying, though. Cool pop stars, anyone who might be the equivalent of those, who loved Obama, hated Trump and favoured Hillary. Young people liked Obama and were turned off by Trump. SNL, whose mockery obstensibly hurt Ford, devoted themselves to mocking Trump. Trump didn't have swagger when he debated HRC; he was uptight, gloomy, and easily riled, while she laughed him off. If you wanted, you could just as easily argue that his win was a repudiation of coolness.

all of that conveyed "cool" to fox news dads i think. idk. the term is pretty useless.

he was only cool when he was belittling Jeb!

Sund4r - you're right, Trump was flummoxed in his debates against HRC. but he annihilated everyone in the GOP debates. "charisma" might be a more useful term, but again, I'm sure no one itt finds Trump charismatic. but he had "swagger" at all those rallies - he was an unrepentant asshole, spoke extemporaneously, was able to come off as "authentic" despite being a pathological, delusional liar. and all that stuff is appealing to MAGAland. as far as the swing voters, the midwest, the people that voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general, well, I think we can chalk that up to 2016's anti-establishment "fuck it, blow the whole thing up" mentality. they didn't care about the Access Hollywood tape, they thought it was anodyne "locker room talk" in contrast to HRC's evasiveness, prevaricating, stiffness, and mountains of scandals thru the years, culminating in the emails.

if HRC had won, the coolness streak would've been broken.

times Trump was "cool": making Christie order the meatloaf/ telling him he can't have any more oreos and telling him to "get on the plane and go home"

and

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causing Ted Cruz to have to publicly deny his dad killed JFK was undeniably cool and funny though I would never claim that Trump himself is either of those things

^haha yes and yes obv he's just being an unrepentant asshole. but boy if there were ever three guys who deserved it

I'm not even sure his GOP debate performance was really much for his fellow bullying assholes to get that excited about. In the land of the spineless jellyfish, the man who's all brainstem is gonna be king.

to paraphrase marco rubio, let's dispense with the notion that any of us itt find Trump cool. we are talking about factors in primary and general elections that appeal to millions of Americans. I don't find it difficult to put myself in the mind of one of these people, but I have a pretty low opinion of the intelligence and sophistication of most of our country.

the word "cool" can't be used, even in a qualified sense, to describe a person whose entire campaign was traumatic to the people who paid attention to it.

xpost It's 'dispel with' flappy, get it right.

Do you remember how sickening it was the night he was elected?

SNL, whose mockery obstensibly hurt Ford, devoted themselves to mocking Trump.

This is totally innacurate. They brought him on as host ffs. I havent watched it since.

lol right right, my b

xp treesh - his campaign clearly was not traumatic for the millions of people who voted for him

They brought him on as host ffs. I havent watched it since.

― Οὖτις, Friday, January 4, 2019 1:52 PM (twelve seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

x2, lifelong megafan before that, f u lorne

I think they might have been. He laid the seeds of paranoia that grew into things like Q Anon. I don’t think he has made his supporters happier by stoking their resentment and feat.

Do you remember how sickening it was the night he was elected?

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 2:52 PM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh my god. Yes! Of course! For the first time since 9/11 the future was wiped COMPLETELY blank, and I was petrified. I was, we were. millions of others were thrilled, others were cautiously optimistic, more still maybe regretted their vote. but we are not representative of the United States.

Ugliness and hatred can be popular but they’re not “cool,” which denotes calmness and self-command

I just think the word “cool” is wrong for a demagogue

itt we figure out what is “cool”

People found him thrilling, transgressive and bold—fine

Sure. "cool" has always been a nebulous word, in every way, but being a total asshole is cool to tons of people! people think Bolsonaro is "cool." but we're splitting hairs - it's not hard for me to see why Trump was appealing against HRC for lots of people.

I don’t think he has made his supporters happier by stoking their resentment and feat.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 1:54 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure anything has ever made them happier.

"thrilling" I think gets at it, he was also the "change" candidate - for worse in our eyes, for better in the eyes of people who hated Obama.

To be honest, I intellectually get it, but on a gut level I realy don’t. And I’m not even the most left wing ilxor.

stroking their feet

the only unique characteristic Trump really has is a total lack of shame; he's not afraid to say something stupid, incendiary, racist, or completely false. which, in America, means billions of dollars worth of free news coverage