2020 Democratic presidential primary

LBJ and McGovern were both cooler than Nixon

Trump is cruel and dismissive of literally everyone, except when he thinks someone supports him, in which case he throws some false flattery their way.

The way he is in the world is the fakest, stupidest most garbage and least genuine way to be. The fact that anyone reads that as “authentic” suggests they forgot what it means to be a person.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 11:54 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

being a total asshole is cool to millions of Americans

The fact that anyone reads that as “authentic” suggests they forgot what it means to be a person.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, January 4, 2019 11:54 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

see, this was smarmy.

yeah ok Nixon's an exception

xp

being a total asshole is cool to millions of Americans

altho also ^^^ this

The stuff you're talking about seems pretty nebulous, honestly. If the meaning of cool is so open that being an ostentatious asshole was cool for
Trump, being a pseudo everyman was cool for W, being eloquent was cool for Obama, playing sax was cool for Clinton, etc, there's no real reason why anyone couldn't be defined that way. I think we only see that W and Trump as the 'cooler' candidates because they won. If they had lost, we would say they tried too hard and their opponents were actually cooler.xps

Lol evol j

Nixon DID appear on Laugh-In, and hosted a WH birthday celebration of Duke Ellington

Didn’t he carry louis armstrong’s weed through customs too?

Nixon was way cool

Also, Nixon's first opponent was Humphrey, not LBJ :)

Wait, no, that's wrong as well. You know what I mean...

Hahahhaa

The stuff you're talking about seems pretty nebulous, honestly. If the meaning of cool is so open that being an ostentatious asshole was cool for
Trump, being a pseudo everyman was cool for W, being eloquent was cool for Obama, playing sax was cool for Clinton, etc, there's no real reason why anyone couldn't be defined that way. I think we only see that W and Trump as the 'cooler' candidates because they won. If they had lost, we would say they tried too hard and their opponents were actually cooler.xps
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, January 4, 2019 12:12 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump and W. never had to "try" to be cool, that's the key thing. and yes, this stuff is nebulous and the definition of "cool" is wide open and usually defined by the contrast between the two candidates. people vote based on the dumbest shit imaginable.

Dude i know he lost to kennedy

I think we need a new culture that values trying. This idea of a brutally competitive society where you need to seem like your not trying seems flawed.

that's counterintuitive. People are always going to be impressed by impressive things that appear to be done effortlessly. this is, like, central to how large majorities of people identify "talent" and "genius" etc.

trump is def authentic in that

a) he's incredibly guileless. when he panders it's transparent. thinking of one of his rallies where he was literally like "you love your guns don't you" or some shit to his braying acolytes
b) he generally avoids the false behaviors commonly exhibited by politicians such as pretending to be relatable and au fait with popular culture, or having his public presence be mediated by PR staff/based on market research. he's just an unfiltered fox news grandad yelling about what he just saw on tv

arguing that it’s a popularity contest when your two exemplars, W & Trump, both lost the popular vote seems....unpersuasive.

exactly. Bush exhibited a similar comfort & looseness & effortlessness - the dude dodged TWO shoes
xp again with the popular vote / electoral college stuff?

again?

we were talking about elections, not the vote

is there an EC factor for popularity or height in the constitution?

W was more popular with the Supreme Court, that's why he won

Trump was more popular/"cool" with the voters that mattered, that's why he won

thanks, it’s all clear now.

Trump is a demon from hell

He’s not even a person

I don’t think he fits into this schema at all. His campaign was rooted in lies, paranoia and hatred and was a giant scam.

I'm still not 100% convinced he isn't that fungus-covered bean bag chair I threw out in college.

he absolutely does, he's the apotheosis of it

xp

There needs to be a law that anybody who has had a television show or bern in a movie cannot run for office

Are we arguing that the Supreme Court is persuaded by coolness? Did I miss something?

Anyway, if you're right, it seems that the Dems could win every election by nominating the hippest liberal celebrity du jour.

liberal celebrities are not cool

I mean, unless the meaning of "cool" is so open and nebulous that it's ... not really worth thinking about. xp

was Carter cooler than Ford

yes!

Carter Playboy interview etc

He could breakdance

James Taylor 2020. It's time, folks.

Still say guitar virtuoso should be next nom

I am so going to make some Kim Deal for President shirts

Beyonce is 104% perfect iirc. xps

Carter Playboy interview etc

― Οὖτις, 4. januar 2019 18:55 (thirty minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink

omg, is this where Playboi Carti got his name from?

Carter also had the Allman Bros. and The Band campaigning for him.

This sort of gets at what I'm saying, though. Cool pop stars, anyone who might be the equivalent of those, who loved Obama, hated Trump and favoured Hillary. Young people liked Obama and were turned off by Trump. SNL, whose mockery obstensibly hurt Ford, devoted themselves to mocking Trump. Trump didn't have swagger when he debated HRC; he was uptight, gloomy, and easily riled, while she laughed him off. If you wanted, you could just as easily argue that his win was a repudiation of coolness.

all of that conveyed "cool" to fox news dads i think. idk. the term is pretty useless.

he was only cool when he was belittling Jeb!

Sund4r - you're right, Trump was flummoxed in his debates against HRC. but he annihilated everyone in the GOP debates. "charisma" might be a more useful term, but again, I'm sure no one itt finds Trump charismatic. but he had "swagger" at all those rallies - he was an unrepentant asshole, spoke extemporaneously, was able to come off as "authentic" despite being a pathological, delusional liar. and all that stuff is appealing to MAGAland. as far as the swing voters, the midwest, the people that voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general, well, I think we can chalk that up to 2016's anti-establishment "fuck it, blow the whole thing up" mentality. they didn't care about the Access Hollywood tape, they thought it was anodyne "locker room talk" in contrast to HRC's evasiveness, prevaricating, stiffness, and mountains of scandals thru the years, culminating in the emails.

if HRC had won, the coolness streak would've been broken.

times Trump was "cool": making Christie order the meatloaf/ telling him he can't have any more oreos and telling him to "get on the plane and go home"

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