2020 Democratic presidential primary

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At this point I'd want Nixon to beat Trump.

Only because Nixon's dead. While alive, he was a lying, conniving, vindictive, conscienceless menace to humanity. He gave us a million dead, supported coups and genocide, attempted to murder his enemies, hammered away at wedge politics, devised the Southern Strategy, and more.

I just caught up on this thread, NYE to today. Damn. I wanna post a Cat Stevens song or something, or Mr Rogers.

I enjoyed seeing the emojis in Treeship's DN change

"'quarrel' not 'wuartel.' Jesus." made me laugh

anyway this is the one thing I felt compelled to respond to:

maybe Trump is so unpopular that it won't matter, but I think personality does typically play a role in presidential elections. I've got to think it's a not-insignificant reason not only for why we didn't have a President Hillary Clinton but also why we didn't have Presidents Gore, Kerry, Rubio, Romney, Cruz, Dole, etc.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, January 2, 2019 11:27 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

typically? always. it's the main thing. every single time. and on that front - thru the eyes of millions of voters - Warren is a complete loser. like, if you squint you'll see Hillary. thru the eyes of millions of voters. she's great, I agree Bernie is toast, down with everything she's about, I think she's the best candidate out there, but wow. Total uphill battle for her judging by the DNA test and the weird kitchen video. I know it's early. but downplaying the importance of 'personality' and superficial aspects will only lead to disappointment... people are so fucking stupid.

and by 'people' I mean the great unwashed masses of Americans who elect the president. not you all. you're great. Be best

What was the weird kitchen video?

she went on instagram yesterday and did a live video of her casually drinking a beer. it was very awkward, very "I'm just chilling in Cedar Rapids." inconsequential, but doesn't bode well. whatever. I'm for her. I hope for the best (be best).

Getting “Al Gore is a nerd” vibes

I forget who tweeted this but I liked "actually, pretending to like beer to get along is in fact v relatable"

exactly. "who would you rather drink a beer with?" or "who would you rather hang out with?" or "who do you think is cool?" = the main thing. Literally in every single election in my lifetime. the cool person won. I don't say this as a heed against Warren, she should be the nominee (tho Harris is compelling and doesn't have the same problem imo).

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the kitchen video isn't significant at all in itself it just makes me really nervous

Reagan and HW stretching the boundaries of "cool person."

Warren is cool. I admire her.

I was born in 1992

yeah, you think she's cool, I think she's cool. I don't know about the rest of America - I'm just getting HRC flashbacks. again, thru the eyes of millions of Americans. but she doesn't have the baggage of HRC, it's just image.

whatever, I mean, you can't teach someone to "be cool." I just feel stuff like the kitchen video is unnecessary, an unforced error or at least a sign of more to come. She's rock solid on literally everything else. the fact that she's even attempting the 'cool person' schtick shows how important it is.

yeah I've always said "whoever is the funniest wins" and I think that's held true my entire life?

Kim Deal 20/20

Kim and Kelley Deal, what a ticket!

President Deals

simon h just won the presidency

Lmao

There's this other semi-bogus metric that whichever candidate is tallest wins. It didn't work for Kerry, though it works almost all the time.

Hillary won the popular vote despite being at least 8 inches shorter than trump (probably more like 10)

I don't think the height thing factors with a female candidate

Video could be how she just is at home as an awkward corny old person but will be read in negative terms like that no matter what. But don’t do stuff like that and you seem cold. Sucks to be her I guess.

pretty much

despite being at least 8 inches shorter than trump

but look who's president

Lincoln Chafee

Except the semi-bogus metric I mentioned only applies to the two major-party nominees in the general election.

and the popular vote thing doesn't matter.. with any candidate!

Why does the cool thing only matter in the general election, and not in primaries?

because republicans are not cool and they vote in the general

They're not young either (IRE board description...)

I'm not sure that makes sense, k3vin, in fact that seems to go against flappys point?

oh ok I misread what you were responding to yeah

I agree that "personality" is important, really important, but it is just so gender-skewed. I mean which middle-aged women who are also relatively successful in politics are ever deemed to be "someone you could have a beer with"? Hillary, Warren, Pelosi etc all get characterised in the same way - school-marmish, pushy, shrill, duplicitous etc etc. So if you're going to rule candidates on "personality" you'll basically never have a female president. Instead, you have to find ways of lessening the impact of this "personality" thing

hey maybe I’m the crazy one but anyone on earth who thinks Trump is “cool” or has a good personality is an irredeemable piece of shit and should probably be used for kindling when society finally crumbles sometime in the next 12-17 years

Fwiw my dad (aka my window into the boomer zeitgeist), who used to get a contrarian kick out of Trump, now openly admits Pelosi makes him look like a dumbass

Hillary won the popular vote despite being at least 8 inches shorter than trump (probably more like 10)

― Trϵϵship, F

what the hell? all politicians are the exact same height, other than the time nixon was shorter than kennedy and he started sweating because of it

Ya'll are high. Most of the women in congress, especially the ones who got sworn in yesterday, and those that were running for governorships etc have such strong presence.

That's why I'm saying Tlaib 2020, yo

AOC in 2028 obvi.

I think warren is cool and hillary wasn’t. There is so much footage of warren ripping into republican hypocrisy (and even the hypocrisy among her own party). She doesn’t seem studied or stilted or anything like that when she’s in her element.

I predict she’ll be a better campaigner than it seems at this point. She just needs to stick to what she knows and not try to do gimmicky trump insults or whatever.

i'm going to use my wife as a shield here against potential accusations of being sexist, but my wife finds her folksiness super-annoying. like specifically how she always refers to her father as "my daddy," which ironically I think annoys my wife on feminist grounds because she doesn't understand why a 69 year old woman would refer to her father as "my daddy."

again, it just seems hella phony. that's literally the one good quality Trump possesses, that he's not a phony. he is never trying to hide exactly what a giant piece of shit he is.

tbh I found that a little odd too but chalked it up as a raised-in-Oklahoma thing

As a general rule, ought ≠ is.