one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

This is a funny one:

The vegan sausage roll furore reminds me of my favourite moment of the 2017 general election campaign: Theresa May had gone to a factory in Mansfield to take questions from workers, and various journalists has come along to watch (myself included) https://t.co/sCgU1VRWXe

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) January 3, 2019

just to be clear, no deal means the hardest of borders with ireland, correct? it's surprisingly difficult to prise this basic fact out of the journalism around the various possibilities in play rn

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:15 (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if nothing else is sorted out inter alia, yes

its kinda hard to state with any certainty that the wto border protocols would be tolerated for long, tbh

but each side seems to think that the aversion to this eventuality is their trump card, as opposed to a heaving pile of disaster

The Irish being incapable of racism, after all.

― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:07 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah not incapable just twinkly-eyed charming about it nb irish-americans prob capable of racism

xxp
CCHQ just lack that knack of knowing where to find people who say what they fucking want them to say, should have asked the BBC for some advice.

nb irish-americans prob capable of racism

you know well there's no such thing as irish-americans, only irish people and... people from ireland, or something

oh i know but im trying to be gentle with em

tom knows fuckin well an all

but deems - there is no inter alia apart from that which can be got via the eu, who have said this is the only deal? unless i'm missing something (likely!)

trying to be gentle with em

I may have been too subtle

The vegan sausage roll furore

So glad work is such a chaotic shitshow I still have no idea that this is about.

it's possible

xp to tracer

im not sure tbh. the eu positioned themselves so firmly and squarely behind the irish border question so early that ive not seen any great analysis on what mechanisms might exist for a deal after hard brexit

i do get the feeling that this was seen as both a strong backing for ireland but also as a handy way to put an impossible blocker front and centre while looking squeaky clean

there would almost certainly be scope for a negotiated border after a hard brexit, everyone having lost the brinkmanship war by then....right?

right?

yeah i mean EU have also said they are committed to no hard border - which puts THEM in a corner, negotiation-wise. it's not REALLY this deal or no deal, if they are committed to no hard border

an impossible triangle

whether anyone can back down before the event now is politically doubtful

The impossible auld triangle.

EU have also said they are committed to no hard border

Yeah, I thought this too and there were press conferences in September announcing this but their EU No Deal briefing paper apparently says Ireland need to sort it out.

yeah theyve expressed support for that being our position

if we changed mind theyd support that too, theyre explicitly clear essentially that there cant be any deal at all without ireland agreeing the border issue.

purely bad taste to call it a ringfenced border

I was er amused I guess to see Piers Morgan quote tweeting someone from anarchopunk band Hagar the Womb as an example of guardian reading vegans in Brighton earlier, re vegan sausage rolls

I suggest we replace all this brexit chat with some remain chat. does anyone have thoughts on the following:

1. how would a decision to remain within the EU actually work out over the next decade plus of politics?
2. how could that decision be made in a way that wouldn't harm labour's chances of implementing a manifesto or two more than some sort of compromise fudge brexit would?

Re the border: aiui the issue is the mechanism by which something could be "sorted out" in No Deal land isn't at all clear: absent a trade deal you can't handwave a "special exemption" into existence without about 150 other countries queuing up to open complaints at the WTO.

It's a bit like the parliamentary problem in microcosm: there's no majority for no deal/nobody wants a border on Ireland, but in the absence of a positive alternative both are what will happen.

(The difference I guess is there is an actual alternative for the border: you just have it in the sea. The Tories would have signed up for that in a flash, if they weren't propped up by you-know-who)

get in the eec

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwD4g4NWkAEemLx.jpg:large

the no lol version of some of us might actually die.

ah so that's why useless GPs keep failing to fill repeat prescriptions on time, they're just letting us get some practice in

Isn't that (xpost "Some of you are going to die") a line from Genesis' "The Knife" ?

I know, I know, but.

dunno, I've not read any old testament books since schooldays :p

Two people in original thread say they've seen it. Several people on my timeline reporting some medications are no longer available - naproxen being one of the mains.

— BayeuxRhapsody (@BohemianLaxity) January 4, 2019

it looks like shit is getting real.

yeah we've had issues with naproxen recently

you'd think by now these cunts might be getting slightly concerned about how many sick or disabled ppl they've already wiped out in the last 8 yrs. But now comes the Hard Brexit mob's pièce de résistance.

not that I expect them to give a fuck, but be concerned about it as a party legacy issue that is making them look ever so slightly terrible.

It's probably one of the easiest ways to obliterate support for Brexit as well.

you'd think by now these cunts might be getting slightly concerned about how many sick or disabled ppl they've already wiped out in the last 8 yrs

well, not if the deaths are a feature instead of a bug

MedecinesSansBrexit.com

yeah we've had issues with naproxen recently

I need that stuff for my big toe >:(

I'm suffering from the lack of Naproxen too but it seems like it's been a problem for some years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11004035/Patients-being-harmed-by-drug-shortages-doctors-warn.html

One reading of para 4 is because the NHS pays comparatively little for drugs (presumably because of collective bargaining advantages) companies will choose to sell in other territories where profit is higher.

Canada also suffering the same shortage.

https://www.drugshortagescanada.ca/shortage/37653

my wife's on some pretty good MS medication at the moment, but one of the risks of it that we've known since she signed up for it a couple of years back is that if you stop taking it, your illness is likely to worsen severely. properly terrifying tbh

I'm in a similar situation, it's not like with MS they can take a couple of ibuprofen and it all goes away.

yeah, i remember you saying your wife suffered with it too. mine takes a shitload of different pills so odds on that one of them will be in constraint at some stage, but it's really bad news if you stop the main one (totally blanking on the name)

x strength painkillers, gabapentin, beta blockers, lactulose solution are the ones I can remember. That this lot would willing to have ill people in pain or even dying because of their fucking eternal intraparty squabbling should mean some of these fuckers face criminal charges. yeah i know, but one can dream.

my wife has problems because if you don't take the painkillers for a few days it takes a few more days for it to build up any effect again, but that's just general NHS incompetence/negligence at the moment so god knows what it'll be like if we have to deal with actual medicine shortages instead of just abysmal doctors and pharmacies

consistency of supply is so important, you can't fuck people about. Even stuff like lactulose solution might be considered non-essential, but without it some ppl might not even manage one bowel movement in a week.

hey it's ok we should be "relaxed" because according to the DUP the uk is a, er, net importer of food? ???? profit!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/04/dup-politician-rules-out-backing-theresa-mays-brexit-deal

He means that the UK is such a big customer for EU, particularly Irish, food exports that come no-deal it will be the EU begging to get back in British good graces. Meanwhile British people will deal with the 40% decrease in food by filling up on the sweet milky goodness of sticking it to Paddy.

We'll still have food, says a senior Leaver: “We won’t be able to get certain foods like bananas or tomatoes but it’s not like we won’t be able to eat. And we’ll be leaving at a time when British produce is beginning to come into season so it’s the best possible time to leave.”

— Arj Singh (@singharj) January 4, 2019

That whole thread is worth a mention, but the short of it is that a growing number of Tory MPs are prepared to see No Deal as a viable option, regardless of whether or not they voted Leave.

But basically, it's OK, we're not all going to die until next winter.

so do we conquer the world with our exports of fine marmalade or do we keep it all locked away to see us through the post-brexit winter?

self-preservation dictates the latter i guess

subsistence marming

Replacing bendy bananas with...no bananas at all? Do bananas even come from the EU?

used to be that there were EU-approved banana exporting nations if i remember my very old Private Eye stories correctly

they come from iceland if i'm remembering my old look and learns correctly, they are grown in volcano-powered hothouses by *checks notes* trolls