2020 Democratic presidential primary

Why?

a former Hillary campaign staffer i know (i know) says the same thing

The spousal abuse stuff is going to follow Brown.

His hair is dreadful.

Yeah, the 2020 democratic nominee for president is not going to be a person accused of abuse by their forner spouse, regardless of what she now says about the allegations.

I dont even know any of the details and I just briefly googled it but no. It could be a white man potentially but definitely not one with that kind of baggage. Just goes against the grain of where the party wants to go.

Also if something like that is true about him then he shouldn’t be considered anyway.

Didn't know about the allegations, I've long thought him solid and a man with the right ideas if wan and grey as a possible presidential candidate.

He honestly shouldn’t run. A primary that includes that stuff getting dragged out will produce bad feelings and can only hurt the party.

btw the centrist Dem lawyer i see at a Christmas party every year insists that if Sanders ever got close to the nomination, his decades-old "kids having sex is normal" remarks would see the light. I am agnostic on the existence of such remarks.

xpost plus Brown would have to have his ex-wife say she lied in her affidavits. It's not happening.

Sanders also has that rape fantasy essay that I really don't want to have to see circulating again.

I don't think that stuff is going to sway many people tbh.

Brown's ex-wife said in September that it's not true

https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180913/sherrod-browns-ex-wife-refutes-claims-of-domestic-abuse

I can understand not wanting to see it circulating though. xp

she doesn't say it's not true in that ^^^ at least. She completely evades the question (unless i just completely glossed over it).

I don't care about it swaying people. It's totally hypocritical to endorse him as a candidate if one has an issue with the GOP doing the same or just people in general.

yeah there is no refutation there.

Don't need to have another Bill Clinton John Edwards Anthony Weiner etc. whataboutism for the rest of our lives.

the more i think about it, the more i want warren. i'd love to see her beat trump. also, i find her a powerful speaker when she wants to be--there are plenty of great clips of her on the floor of the senate.

At this point I'd want Nixon to beat Trump.

for sure, anyone beating trump would make me thrilled. but i think it would be satisfying for her to beat him after he has talked so much shit about her.

Ftr, my comment was referring to the 1972 Sanders essay about weird erotic fantasies, not the allegations about Brown, and I would have no issue with a GOP candidate writing something like that decades ago either.

I have Big Black records that are worse than that and I am all for Steve Albini's Congressional campaign.

Oh, I don't care about the essay either. I just remember it too from the stuff that the Trump team had ready to be weaponized against him if he was the candidate.

i admire both warren and bernie a lot, not just because they are progressive but because they think independently and are pretty relentless in sticking by their convictions. i have nothing against the other candidates here but i can't see myself voting for someone who is more conventional.

Bernie's problem is that he has his greatest hits that he doesn't ever deviate from no matter what the question is. This is how he keeps getting into trouble with what he says.

ok maybe not Sherrod Brown then, I just like the direct and matter-of-fact way he talks. I guess I'm coming around to Warren too. the Native American thing was dumb but otherwise she's pretty good.

I think that’s helped him hammer ideas like medicare for all and free college and $15 minimum wage into the collective psyche.

I agree with you though—he is not a complex thinker but some of the biggest challenged now are glaringly obvious it was good to see them finally acknowledged, ie, too many people can’t afford to live

Yerac otm. Bernie certainly has message discipline and he's great at communicating the outrage that frankly all Democrats should be expressing, but he doesn't exactly seem to be the most agile thinker.

Xp yerac

77yo agile thinkers are pretty uncommon

bernie is friendster. people took his idea and are giving it a better platform.

i did vote for bernie over hillary (and hillary over obama) in primaries.

Sherrod Brown would be an ineffectual lump as president. But he's valuable in the Senate.

PBKR pretty OTM but

Jay Inslee: I saw this guy on TV last night and thought he was one of the least impressive people ever.

Inslee is a dece governor who's enacted some extremely good policies and sued the current admin on A+ grounds. I doubt he fully expects he's going to make the primary, and strongly doubt he thinks he'd be President in 2020. Generous thought: Bernie being on the ballots in 2016 p much single-handedly made real affordable healthcare a viable US campaign platform in 2020; Inslee may be applying his white-man-machine-politician optics to the climate crisis leg of the overall campaign we will be suffering through for the next 23 months

lol at the last hour's x-posts intersecting with that

also washington's legislative session is so brief he probably won't even have to take time off work

how many of these threads are we gonna need ffs

move to not discuss anything american anymore

can i count on yr vote hústín

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At this point I'd want Nixon to beat Trump.

Only because Nixon's dead. While alive, he was a lying, conniving, vindictive, conscienceless menace to humanity. He gave us a million dead, supported coups and genocide, attempted to murder his enemies, hammered away at wedge politics, devised the Southern Strategy, and more.

I just caught up on this thread, NYE to today. Damn. I wanna post a Cat Stevens song or something, or Mr Rogers.

I enjoyed seeing the emojis in Treeship's DN change

"'quarrel' not 'wuartel.' Jesus." made me laugh

anyway this is the one thing I felt compelled to respond to:

maybe Trump is so unpopular that it won't matter, but I think personality does typically play a role in presidential elections. I've got to think it's a not-insignificant reason not only for why we didn't have a President Hillary Clinton but also why we didn't have Presidents Gore, Kerry, Rubio, Romney, Cruz, Dole, etc.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, January 2, 2019 11:27 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

typically? always. it's the main thing. every single time. and on that front - thru the eyes of millions of voters - Warren is a complete loser. like, if you squint you'll see Hillary. thru the eyes of millions of voters. she's great, I agree Bernie is toast, down with everything she's about, I think she's the best candidate out there, but wow. Total uphill battle for her judging by the DNA test and the weird kitchen video. I know it's early. but downplaying the importance of 'personality' and superficial aspects will only lead to disappointment... people are so fucking stupid.

and by 'people' I mean the great unwashed masses of Americans who elect the president. not you all. you're great. Be best

What was the weird kitchen video?

she went on instagram yesterday and did a live video of her casually drinking a beer. it was very awkward, very "I'm just chilling in Cedar Rapids." inconsequential, but doesn't bode well. whatever. I'm for her. I hope for the best (be best).

Getting “Al Gore is a nerd” vibes